Cat Behavior Questions with Dusty Rainbolt, Author of Kittens for Dummies & Others
Why do cats meow? How can you help an old fat cat lose weight? What does your cat think of you? Dusty Rainbolt and Deb take apart the most popular audience questions and give great entertaining, informative answers.
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BIO:
Dusty Rainbolt is an award-winning cat behavior author. She released her latest book, Cat Scene Investigator: Solve Your Cat’s Litter Box Mystery, to help people resolve their cat's litter box avoidance. She's also author of Kittens for Dummies, Cat Wrangling Made Easy: Maintaining Peace & Sanity in Your Multicat Home and Ghost Cats: Human Encounters with Feline Spirits. She also penned the paranormal mystery, Death Under the Crescent Moon. Her scifi fans know Dusty for her comedy novel All the Marbles and as coauthor of the outrageous Four Redheads of the Apocalypse fantasy series.
Dusty is past president of the Cat Writers’ Association. Since joining CWA in 1995, her books, columns, reviews and articles have been honored with more than 50 writing awards including being named Friskies Writer of the Year three times. Her articles and columns regularly appear on Catster.com and in other print and online publications.
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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.
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Announcer: Let's talk pets.
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Deborah Wolfe: Hello, you're listening to Animal Party on Pet Life Radio, and I'm sitting here, ready to go on the air in the studio, all the equipment, the lights, everything, the wires, and I neglected to shut my office door, and just as I start the show, two of my cats climb onto the desk.
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Deborah Wolfe: Not good.
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Deborah Wolfe: They may make themselves heard during the show.
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Deborah Wolfe: I think they know that we're doing a cat show today.
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Deborah Wolfe: Somehow, just like they know when you're gonna take them to the vet, they know that the great, the wonderful, the terrific author of Kittens for Dummies and so many others, so many, so many cat wrangling, Made Easy, so many books about cats is Dusty Rainbolt.
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Deborah Wolfe: So welcome to the show, Dusty.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, thank you for having me, Deb.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It's wonderful to be back talking with you and your audience.
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Deborah Wolfe: I told people you were coming on the show, I posted, and so we had listeners send in their cat questions.
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Deborah Wolfe: And the first one we're gonna tackle is from a lady who is elderly, has had cats all her life, has never had a fat cat before, ever.
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Deborah Wolfe: Her name is Margaret, and she calls her cat Kitty Cat, but it does have a name.
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Deborah Wolfe: I'm trying to find the name now in my papers.
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Deborah Wolfe: Of course, I can't find the cat's name right now.
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Deborah Wolfe: But she says she never calls it by its name.
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Deborah Wolfe: Lucy, Lucy's the cat's name.
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Deborah Wolfe: She never calls it Lucy, she calls it Kitty Cat.
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Deborah Wolfe: Anyway, the cat is 18 pounds.
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Deborah Wolfe: She feeds it a quarter or a third of a cup, depending on the instructions on the food bag.
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Deborah Wolfe: She used to buy items, now she buys Purina One.
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Deborah Wolfe: Both are, the blends she buys are designed for overweight indoor elderly cats.
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Deborah Wolfe: She says she's doing everything she can.
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Deborah Wolfe: Why is her cat so fat?
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Deborah Wolfe: Margaret wants to know.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, there could be like a million reasons why Lucy or Kitty Cat is a little on the plump side.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Did she say anything about taking Kitty Cat to the vet?
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Deborah Wolfe: She's been to the vet.
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Deborah Wolfe: She does the regular checkups.
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Deborah Wolfe: Everything there is good.
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Deborah Wolfe: And the cat's 18 pounds.
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Deborah Wolfe: The cat is a domestic short haired calico.
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Deborah Wolfe: The cat spends a lot of time under the bed.
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Deborah Wolfe: Doesn't really greet guests or anything like that.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's sort of a shy cat, but is really affectionate, warm, loving, active, when no one's around, when it's just the owner.
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Deborah Wolfe: The owner's a very calm, elderly lady.
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Deborah Wolfe: So it's a great combination.
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Deborah Wolfe: They're a great pet and owner.
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Deborah Wolfe: She doesn't even have any complaints.
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Deborah Wolfe: And she said she would hate to restrict her food or put her on a starvation diet at this age.
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Deborah Wolfe: She feels like the cat is elderly.
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Deborah Wolfe: Is the cat elderly at that age, at 12 or 13?
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Dusty Rainbolt: Yes, yes, that is a geriatric kitty.
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Dusty Rainbolt: There could be a lot of things going on here.
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Dusty Rainbolt: One thing that can really help is exercise.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And that's really tricky with an elderly cat that size because you're putting a lot of pressure on those joints and she probably has arthritis anyway, because let's face it, as we humans get older, we eventually will experience that.
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Dusty Rainbolt: If she's been to the vet and if the vet has done blood work, that would be another thing I would recommend is not just look at the cat, but go ahead and get a battery of blood work if you can afford it, because there are different things that can affect the glands, the thyroid, all kinds of things could affect it.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Could be something serious, it could be something not.
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Deborah Wolfe: If she's wanting to get her cat more active, but not cause some kind of sport injury early on, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: How could she do that?
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Deborah Wolfe: Like you're not going to get the fishing rod toy and start, or would you maybe try catnip?
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Deborah Wolfe: Or is that likely to cause injury?
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Deborah Wolfe: Like what's the method for people who are listening who have a fat cat and they want to get it more active, but they don't want it to hurt itself?
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, what I would suggest is my cats, and I have a couple of fat cats admittedly, are toys that you can drag along the ground.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And first you start out and you just get them to walk and walk behind the toy.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And then as they get a little more active, then you can speed it up to running.
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Dusty Rainbolt: But as long as they're fat, I would never ever encourage them to jump.
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Dusty Rainbolt: But there are some toys that you can drag along the floor and they'll chase it.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And that's perfect.
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Deborah Wolfe: What about catnip?
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Deborah Wolfe: Is that a yes or a no for an old fat cat?
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Deborah Wolfe: What if the cat is not interested?
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Deborah Wolfe: I mean, in the write up, she said that the cat is very particular about its toys and the only toys it ever played with were the little mouse toys that actually looked like mice.
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Deborah Wolfe: If they were different color, forget it, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: Only the ones that were authentically like a mouse.
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Deborah Wolfe: Even though this indoor cat has probably never seen an authentic real mouse, it somehow had this preference.
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Deborah Wolfe: But then those are stuff with catnip.
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Deborah Wolfe: So perhaps it is a catnip responsive cat.
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Deborah Wolfe: Is that something that's okay for the elderly cat or is that an avoidance thing?
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Dusty Rainbolt: Oh, catnip is wonderful any time.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It gives them a little bit of a high.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It lasts for about 10, 15 minutes.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It's not addictive.
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Dusty Rainbolt: There's no downside to giving them catnip.
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Dusty Rainbolt: However, it depends on the cat.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Some cats will get the zoomies, which is wonderful and what we want.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Other cats just veg out, man, and they just want to take a nap.
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Deborah Wolfe: I've had both types.
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Deborah Wolfe: I've had the kind that finds a planter of catnip, you know, and even though it's completely out of reach, somehow manages to get into it to fall asleep for the rest of the day.
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Deborah Wolfe: You know, of course, of course.
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Deborah Wolfe: So as so there's no there's no danger.
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Deborah Wolfe: I just want for people listening, there's no danger that your cat would get too much or that a kitten would have a problem with it.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's a really safe, natural herb, right?
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Dusty Rainbolt: It really is.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And the truth is people make catnip tea, the exact same thing for different issues, including monthly cramps.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And so this is something that people have used as medicine.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It's natural.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I have it growing out in my backyard while I used to.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It keeps getting eaten.
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Deborah Wolfe: Oh, I wonder why.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah, how did that happen?
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Deborah Wolfe: It used to be used for babies as medicine.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's definitely a medicinal thing.
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Deborah Wolfe: And I think recently they've started to make dog toys out of catnip because they figured out that dogs like it too.
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Deborah Wolfe: So, yeah, yeah.
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Deborah Wolfe: And that doesn't surprise me because it has a similar effect on people, you know, so it makes sense.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, so we're going to go to break and come back.
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Deborah Wolfe: And when we do, we're going to handle another email you got.
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Deborah Wolfe: So we'll talk about that when we come back from the break.
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Deborah Wolfe: But before we do, I just want to give you a little joke that I heard on TV on much music on the comedy network.
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Deborah Wolfe: And it was, if you find that you're outside and you want to put your cat on a leash and take it for a walk, then it's time you admit you picked the wrong pet.
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Dusty Rainbolt: That's actually pretty funny.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And mostly true.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Oh, yeah.
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Deborah Wolfe: That takes me back to the Great Canadian Pet Fair where I was like emcee and host at the thousands of people.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's down at the Plaza of Nations in Vancouver.
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Deborah Wolfe: Dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs everywhere.
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Deborah Wolfe: And there's the odd person with a cat on a leash expecting all the dogs to behave.
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Deborah Wolfe: There were even people there with a ferret on a leash expecting dogs to behave.
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Deborah Wolfe: And I'm thinking, oh, no, this is going to be, oh, no, I hope the first aid people are standing by.
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Deborah Wolfe: But actually nothing happened.
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Deborah Wolfe: It was all very awesome.
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Deborah Wolfe: People paid attention to the fact that you were only supposed to bring well behaved dogs and they did.
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Deborah Wolfe: So it was a good event.
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Deborah Wolfe: But seriously, if you've got your cat on a leash, you've got prey on a leash wherever you take it.
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Deborah Wolfe: You got to really watch out for that cat.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's in danger.
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Deborah Wolfe: You know, sometimes there was in 2010, there was Olympics came to town and I went to the big parade and I was doing interviews on the spot, interviews of people with their dogs mostly.
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Deborah Wolfe: And in the middle of this fray, like really hundreds of people in the street, there was a guy with a cat on his head, on his head, no leash, no harness, nothing, just his pet cat hanging out on his head.
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Deborah Wolfe: And of course, I interviewed him.
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Deborah Wolfe: But of course, not the most coherent interview I've ever done.
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Deborah Wolfe: He was definitely partying hard.
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Deborah Wolfe: But the cat was super chill, super chill.
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Deborah Wolfe: Anyway, okay, so we're going to go to break and come back on Animal Party Pet Life Radio.
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Deborah Wolfe: We're not saying you should do this.
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Deborah Wolfe: Most cats would much rather stay home.
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Deborah Wolfe: All right.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Don't try this at home.
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Deborah Wolfe: We'll be back with Dusty Rainbolt, stay tuned.
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Deborah Wolfe: Hello, we're back on Animal Party, Pet Life Radio with Dusty Rainbolt.
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Deborah Wolfe: And we had a lot of questions for you, Dusty.
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Deborah Wolfe: One thing I wanted to say before we get going on that is kind of a, well, I was really impressed by CNN this year.
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Deborah Wolfe: They gave their annual Hero Award to Street Vets, an organization that treats pets owned by the homeless.
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Deborah Wolfe: And Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Quain Stewart was their profile person.
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Deborah Wolfe: And when he was interviewed and given the award, he described working with the homeless and that in one case, he met this man who hadn't eaten in two days, a man with a dog.
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Deborah Wolfe: And so he went and bought a Subway sandwich for him and for the man.
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Deborah Wolfe: And he came back and gave him the sandwich and the man tore off a corner of the sandwich and ate it.
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Deborah Wolfe: And ate it.
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Deborah Wolfe: And then he gave the rest of his sub to his dog.
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Deborah Wolfe: And Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Stewart said that that just changed his life.
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Deborah Wolfe: It just hit him so hard.
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Deborah Wolfe: And he's been doing this work ever since with street vets.
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Deborah Wolfe: So CNN, well done, acknowledging street vets.
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Deborah Wolfe: I wanna just give a shout out for that.
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Dusty Rainbolt: That's awesome.
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Dusty Rainbolt: One year I was at a veterinary conference.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I think it was the one in Denver.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Anyway, it was amazing because the, 10,000 veterinarians and they had a group of veterinarians that went downstairs to the basement.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They have a drive-in area where you can drop off your stuff or your display or whatever.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And right there, there was this big, big, big long line of homeless people with their pets.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And it was amazing because they gave them shots, they checked them for injuries, they gave them antibiotics, whatever it was they needed to do.
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Deborah Wolfe: Parasite treatment, all the preventative stuff that helps so much if you're living outside or...
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Dusty Rainbolt: Absolutely.
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Deborah Wolfe: Because every pet needs, yeah.
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Deborah Wolfe: No, it's amazing.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Absolutely.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And it was just, I actually cried because some of these people, the people themselves were crying because they were helping their pets.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And they loved, they so loved their animals and they needed them.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It made me so happy to see these veterinarians taking their time.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And I'm sure a lot of this came out of their pockets.
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Deborah Wolfe: Oh yeah.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Taking care of them.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It was awesome.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, yeah.
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Deborah Wolfe: And sometimes, I mean, there are programs locally, if you're in a situation where you need care and you can't get it, call around.
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Deborah Wolfe: Because most of the time in most areas, there's somebody doing it.
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Deborah Wolfe: You may have to prove that you're of low income.
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Deborah Wolfe: You may have to prove that your pet definitely needs this.
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Deborah Wolfe: But once you prove that you're eligible, there should be cheaper spay and neuter.
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Deborah Wolfe: There should be some preventative care that you can find, maybe through the SPCA or maybe just through local vets.
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Deborah Wolfe: But there will usually be somebody doing this kind of work in your community if you can hunt it down.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, so we had a question for you.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's kind of a funny one.
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Deborah Wolfe: Somebody out there has an orange tabby, and it's a male, which doesn't surprise me.
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Deborah Wolfe: I think most orange tabbies are.
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Deborah Wolfe: But she wants to know, when the heck will this cat stop growing?
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, how old is the cat?
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Deborah Wolfe: Just over a year, she says.
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Deborah Wolfe: But she says like, it's just ridiculous.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's the biggest cat they've ever had.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's double the size of its litter mate that they also adopted.
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Deborah Wolfe: She wants to know, the litter mate stopped growing a few months ago, around nine months, and this one just keeps on growing.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, is this a long-haired or short-haired cat?
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't have a picture.
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't know.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Don't have a picture.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, you know, it depends on the breed.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I have Turkish Vans and they don't stop growing till they're five.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Also, Maine Coons, which are very frequently orange tabbies.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They also continue to grow, but most cats stop growing by the time they're about two years old.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They grow rapidly till one and then they continue to maybe grow a little bit, and then they'll put on some weight.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So just like humans, they're going to expand in different directions.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, so you mentioned Maine Coons.
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Deborah Wolfe: Am I right in thinking those are among the biggest cats?
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Deborah Wolfe: Are they big, big, big?
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Dusty Rainbolt: They're big.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They're big.
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Deborah Wolfe: I've seen pictures where the guy's holding it and it stretches all the way down through his whole torso.
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Deborah Wolfe: These are long, big cats, right?
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Dusty Rainbolt: They are.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And as a matter of fact, if you look at some of the pictures on the internet, Facebook or whatever, it looks like the pictures are altered or whatever.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And some of them know, they are just, it is the largest cat breed in the world recognized by CFA rather.
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Dusty Rainbolt: There's also the Siberian, which is big.
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Dusty Rainbolt: The Ragdolls are big.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Again, Turkish Vans are also very large cats.
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Deborah Wolfe: So when you say large, what do you mean?
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Deborah Wolfe: Are you like, what's a big Maine Coon?
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Deborah Wolfe: Are we talking like 25 pounds, 30 pounds, like a medium sized dog?
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Dusty Rainbolt: I have heard, you know, Maine Coons get to be normally around 18 pounds, but I have seen some very much larger ones.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I've never seen one 30, but I have seen one 25 pounds, and it's impressive.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And it better be because I mean, they better be gentle because you don't want to be dealing with a 25 pound cat that's not socialized, but of course, and calm.
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Deborah Wolfe: Because if it's fearful, imagine that, like getting afraid and scooting up your curtains, you know, it would break the whole rod that will come out of the plaster, the wall would be damaged like that.
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Deborah Wolfe: Or your arm, or your arm, or this guy on with a cat on his head on the parade.
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Deborah Wolfe: Actually, we had a question about that.
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Deborah Wolfe: We had a question.
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Deborah Wolfe: Why does my cat like my hair?
00:16:18.649 --> 00:16:20.389
Deborah Wolfe: And why does my cat different person?
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Deborah Wolfe: And why does my cat sleep on my head?
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Deborah Wolfe: Two problems I've had.
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Deborah Wolfe: So why?
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Deborah Wolfe: Why?
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Deborah Wolfe: We want to ask you, Dusty, why do cats sleep on your head?
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Deborah Wolfe: And why do they like your hair?
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Dusty Rainbolt: You know, we have to ask a cat that I have.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I have some thoughts, but of course, you know, until we get to the point where we can actually communicate with them, we just have to look at the behavior and guess.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And my guess would be that it's, you know, it's got your scent, and you're covered up with a blanket, so they can't get your physical scent below your head, and you know, they want to be near you and they smell you and it's kind of, it's fun to snuggle, you know, because your head is round and you can curl around it.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It's a compliment, although it does make it very difficult to sleep because I have the same problem.
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Deborah Wolfe: I think some of it is that like I tend to use products with lavender.
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Deborah Wolfe: I love lavender and I know my cats love lavender.
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Deborah Wolfe: So that's about, you know, if I use citrus, maybe they'd be less likely to be on my head because they don't like citrus.
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Dusty Rainbolt: That's a really good observation.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I agree with that.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I do not use lavender because of my long hair.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I have to use really intensive care things, but so but it has kind of a sweet, herby fragrance.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So that might, they might be attracted to that.
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Dusty Rainbolt: But you're right.
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Dusty Rainbolt: If you, if you had something that was heavily perfumed or citrus or mothballs.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Yeah, of course I would chase everybody else off too.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, we had another question.
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Deborah Wolfe: I'm going to go to break though because I want you to get a chance to think about it because it's a little strange.
00:18:08.129 --> 00:18:09.589
Deborah Wolfe: And then we'll go to break and come back.
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Deborah Wolfe: Someone asked, I just love this question.
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Deborah Wolfe: They asked, what are humans to cats?
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, everybody, we're going to go to break and come back with Dusty Rainbolt.
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Deborah Wolfe: Hello, we're back on Animal Party, Pet Life Radio, and we had a question.
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Deborah Wolfe: By the way, I wanted to mention the first question about the cat that was fat, Lucy the cat, Kitty Cat, was from Margaret.
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Deborah Wolfe: So I wanted to say that.
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Deborah Wolfe: And now we're, someone wants to know, what do our cats think of us?
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Deborah Wolfe: What are humans to cats?
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, again, without being able to talk to the cats, we're just guessing, but I think we're food sources.
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Deborah Wolfe: That's like number one, maybe.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Absolutely.
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Dusty Rainbolt: But it's a little more complicated than that.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Because we, I'm sorry, I was a little distracted.
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Dusty Rainbolt: I have some 10 week old foster kittens, and they are climbing the, literally climbing the door to my office.
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Dusty Rainbolt: She's about six feet high, so I hope she's OK.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, you know, they say cats can jump five times their height, but I have these two kittens that were born in the middle of September, and I watch them, and they jump way higher than that.
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Deborah Wolfe: Like in a single leap, I'd say it's more like eight or nine times their height.
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Deborah Wolfe: I think your cat's fine six feet up on the door it can climb down on.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's fine.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, yeah, it's a little harder climbing down than it is climbing up.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Anyway, she's good.
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Dusty Rainbolt: She's good.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, that must come down.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yes.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Dusty Rainbolt: But it's a little more complicated than a food source.
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Dusty Rainbolt: We take cats who are basically wild animals.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They're the same animals that wandered in from the deserts of Egypt.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And we neuter them.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So we put them in a perpetual state of kittenhood.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They don't mature in the sense that a wild cat in the wild would.
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Dusty Rainbolt: You know, because you hit about four months and then you get the hormones.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And then you're breeding.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And then you have kittens.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And then you're providing for the kittens.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And that might be a little bit different relationship than you adopting a kitten that's four months old, who's already altered.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And they're not going to get that.
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Dusty Rainbolt: But I think we're more a mama cat, because if under normal circumstances, kitties will often milk tread on their owner's skin or clothes.
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Deborah Wolfe: So like needing, you mean like when they take their paws and they go back and forth, back and forth the way they would if they were trying to get milk to come out when they're a kitten nursing.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Exactly.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Yes, it's a belief that the milk treading causes the stimulates the production of milk.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And so, you know, they do that to us when they're comfortable and they're happy.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So yes, we are food source, but we're also protection.
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Dusty Rainbolt: We're also just somebody good to be with.
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Dusty Rainbolt: You know, it really depends on the cat.
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Dusty Rainbolt: What kind of socialization did they have when they were little?
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Dusty Rainbolt: If they were raised like your foster kittens and my foster kittens and they, you know, they have a lot of stimulation and they know people aren't a problem, then that's definitely the case.
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Dusty Rainbolt: But then there are some that might not have had the good experience with human beings and they look at us as possible predators.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They don't trust anybody.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They don't trust anything.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So that would be a slightly different relationship.
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Dusty Rainbolt: That might be just food, like as in the feral cats.
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Dusty Rainbolt: You know, feral cats have their caretakers and they are a food source, but eventually it may grow into something more, something deeper.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, we also had some small questions like, why does my cat sleep so much and is this normal?
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Deborah Wolfe: Hmm.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: So cats aren't exactly productive.
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Deborah Wolfe: Cats, they know how to chill, don't they?
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Dusty Rainbolt: They do.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Gosh, I wish I could sleep that well.
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Deborah Wolfe: So like 13 hours, he says my cat sleeps 13 to 14 hours a day.
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Deborah Wolfe: I think that's actually not that much for a cat.
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Deborah Wolfe: My cats, I believe I'm looking at one right now sitting in my office inbox.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's just sat down and I believe it's already asleep.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah, looks like it.
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Deborah Wolfe: Breathing heavy.
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Deborah Wolfe: Eyes are half open, but they don't seem to be focused.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah.
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Deborah Wolfe: It will be, I think this cat will sleep 18 hours today if I had my, if I'm right.
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Deborah Wolfe: So is that normal?
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, the average healthy cat sleeps about 16 hours a day.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And you know, the reason they can do that, everyone says they're lazy, but they're really not lazy.
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Dusty Rainbolt: If you-
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Deborah Wolfe: They're efficient.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They are very efficient.
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Dusty Rainbolt: If you get a cat, an outside cat or a natural cat, as I like to call them, who actually has to work for his living, they are such efficient hunters and providers that they work an eight-hour day and then they can sleep the rest of the time.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And I mean, you think about it.
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Deborah Wolfe: Probably more like a night shift.
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Dusty Rainbolt: You're right.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It's a night shift, you know.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They hunt in the evening, they hunt in the early morning, dusk and dawn.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And then, you know, maybe if they didn't have such a good night, they'll hunt during the day.
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Deborah Wolfe: So here's the thing I noticed.
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Deborah Wolfe: Like when I watch and I have a creek and I get salmon come up the creek and sometimes bears come to hunt and they are terrible.
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Deborah Wolfe: They have like they're clumsy and they miss.
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Deborah Wolfe: You can watch them try 10, 12, 15 times before they actually catch a fish, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: But my cats, they'll just switch to easier prey.
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Deborah Wolfe: You know, every kitten I've ever had tries to catch a hummingbird for a little while.
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Deborah Wolfe: It sits on the inside of the glass, right?
00:25:23.337 --> 00:25:26.557
Deborah Wolfe: And the bird, the hummingbirds cover the spring and the cat sits under it.
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Deborah Wolfe: It dives at the glass.
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Deborah Wolfe: And after a week or two, it gives up completely.
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Deborah Wolfe: And if it can get outside, it will hunt the blind, tiny, lull mice, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: Like it will switch to something easy.
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Deborah Wolfe: They're very practical that way.
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Deborah Wolfe: So, their hunt ratio when they're hunting blind mice is pretty high.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Well, Susan Little, who is a board certified veterinarian, and she teaches at all the veterinary conferences, she says that a cat, for every successful hunt, they actually have nine unsuccessful hunts.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So, even cats have unproductive hunts, but you're right, they are more efficient, and they work really hard.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And a natural cat, because they do have to hide and run and jump and climb trees and leap, that's a lot of exercise, a lot of work when they're awake.
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Dusty Rainbolt: That's one of the things that makes them healthy, and it gets back to our conversation about the poor little fat cat that needs the exercise.
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Dusty Rainbolt: A natural cat is going to be very, very busy when he's awake, and then when it's time to sleep, he sleeps.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And that's something people need to pay attention to, is cats really need a lot of activity.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So when you come home from work, run them around with their feather stick or fishing pole or whatever, and get them to work hard for 10 minutes at a time, two, three times a day.
00:27:05.917 --> 00:27:08.837
Dusty Rainbolt: And that'll do a number of things.
00:27:08.857 --> 00:27:15.917
Dusty Rainbolt: It'll do the same thing to your little kitty that it does to the kitty's outside, the natural cats.
00:27:16.457 --> 00:27:22.097
Dusty Rainbolt: It's going to produce serotonin and endorphins, so that's going to make them happier.
00:27:22.117 --> 00:27:28.717
Dusty Rainbolt: It's going to give them exercise, so that's good because it tones their muscles and keeps them healthy.
00:27:30.237 --> 00:27:36.917
Dusty Rainbolt: And it also gives them mental stimulation, which if they have mental stimulation, then they're not going to get depressed.
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Dusty Rainbolt: They're not going to be doing these inappropriate things or things that we think are inappropriate, like climbing the drapes and scratching the furniture and such.
00:27:46.697 --> 00:27:54.637
Dusty Rainbolt: So that play, mimicking what they would experience outside during those eight waking hours, is a really important thing.
00:27:55.137 --> 00:28:03.717
Dusty Rainbolt: And getting back to our other conversations, it is also bonding, because cats know that you're the one that makes the toy work.
00:28:04.277 --> 00:28:11.077
Dusty Rainbolt: To give you an example, when I was writing some of my books, my husband was working outside of the house.
00:28:11.097 --> 00:28:15.297
Dusty Rainbolt: He'd come home and one day he said, they never pay any attention to me anymore.
00:28:15.577 --> 00:28:18.337
Dusty Rainbolt: And I thought, oh, that's so sad.
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Dusty Rainbolt: So I stopped playing with them during the day.
00:28:20.857 --> 00:28:22.277
Dusty Rainbolt: I stopped feeding them.
00:28:22.297 --> 00:28:23.077
Dusty Rainbolt: They had food.
00:28:23.797 --> 00:28:26.497
Dusty Rainbolt: And if they came over and sat in my lap, I'd pet them.
00:28:26.517 --> 00:28:29.177
Dusty Rainbolt: But I didn't solicit anything.
00:28:29.197 --> 00:28:30.477
Dusty Rainbolt: I didn't get the toy out.
00:28:30.497 --> 00:28:31.457
Dusty Rainbolt: I didn't do anything.
00:28:32.077 --> 00:28:36.037
Dusty Rainbolt: And then as soon as he got home, he would get the feather toy.
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Dusty Rainbolt: It's called The Bird, best ever.
00:28:38.457 --> 00:28:40.437
Dusty Rainbolt: And he would play with them for 10 minutes.
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Dusty Rainbolt: And they would line up.
00:28:42.137 --> 00:28:43.697
Dusty Rainbolt: We had 12 cats at that time.
00:28:43.717 --> 00:28:45.017
Dusty Rainbolt: And they would all line up.
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Dusty Rainbolt: The youngest kitten, six months old, to the oldest cat that was 16.
00:28:50.637 --> 00:28:53.277
Dusty Rainbolt: And they would all wait for their chance to play with this toy.
00:28:53.837 --> 00:29:02.897
Dusty Rainbolt: And so it eventually became such a joy, because I could tell when he was two blocks away, because the cats circled the door.
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Deborah Wolfe: Oh, that's fantastic.
00:29:05.117 --> 00:29:06.957
Deborah Wolfe: Because they've done studies on that in England.
00:29:06.977 --> 00:29:11.137
Deborah Wolfe: And dogs, many, many dogs, about 80% know when their owners are coming home.
00:29:11.497 --> 00:29:13.477
Deborah Wolfe: But they've never done a study on cats.
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Deborah Wolfe: So that's really cool.
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Deborah Wolfe: Dusty, we have to wrap up the show.
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Deborah Wolfe: Thank you so much for joining us today on Animal Party, Pet Life Radio.
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Deborah Wolfe: Dusty Rainbolt, everybody.
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Dusty Rainbolt: Thank you so much.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, everyone, from me, Deb Wolfe, and Animal Party, Pet Life Radio.
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Deborah Wolfe: Be good to your animals.
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