Steve Dale and a Cure for FIP
FIP. It’s a diagnosis every cat rescuer and cat parent dreads. Feline infectious peritonitis (FIP) is a viral disease of cats caused by certain strains of a virus called the feline coronavirus. Once this disease was considered a death sentence because there was no cure. Then a cure was found, and people had to get it from places other than the vet, because the drug that cured FIP was really for something else. Using it for FIP was considered “off label” and was not approved to treat FIP in the United States, so people had to find creative ways to get it. (Listen to Episode107 – Peter Cohen and the FIP Warriors to hear more about that.
But what if FIP could be prevented altogether?
If you think FIP doesn’t affect you and your cats, maybe nit right now but it can in the future. FIP can happen at any time in cats of any age. The key to eradicating this horrible disease is prevention. Lucky for us, Steve Dale is here to talk about the EveryCat Health Foundation and new breakthroughs in not only curing existing FIP cats but also preventing it from occurring in health kittens right from the start. Don’t miss this vital information that every cat paw-rent needs.
Listen to Episode #130 Now:
BIO:
Steve Dale, certified animal behavior consultant (CABC), has reached more pet owners over the past few decades than any other pet journalist in America.
He is the host of two nationally syndicated radio shows, Steve Dale’s Pet World and The Pet Minute (together heard on more than 100 radio stations, syndicated Black Dog Radio Productions, since 2005). He’s also a special contributor at WGN Radio, Chicago, and program host of Steve Dale’s Pet World(since 1997). He formerly hosted the nationally broadcastAnimal Planet Radio.
For 21 years, his twice weekly newspaper column was syndicated by the Chicago Tribune. Steve was a contributing editor for USA Weekend (2002 to 2014), and regular columnist at Cat Fancy magazine (2006 to 2014). He has written for a long list of magazines, from People to Dog World (where he was a columnist).
He’s currently a writer and contributing editor for CATster, andauthors a column called Steve Dale’s Vet World for Veterinary Practice News. He’s also a columnist for the Journal of National Association of Veterinary Technicians in America and PetVet magazine.
He also contributes blogs for various websites, including for Victoria Stilwell.
On TV, he’s appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show, National Geographic Explorer, Pets: Part of the Family(PBS), Fox News, various Animal Planet shows, and many others. For several years, Steve was a regular contributor to Superstation WGN-TV morning news, then appeared regularly on WMAQ-TV, Chicago. Currently, he’s a contributor to nationally syndicated HouseSmarts TV. Steve’s also a frequent host of satellite media tours.
In print, he’s been quoted in the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Los Angeles Times, Redbook, various veterinary publications, and dozens more. He has also appeared as an expert guest on countless radio programs.
Steve co-edited Decoding Your Dog, written by the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2014). Steve’s the author of ebooks, Good Dog! and Good Cat! (Chicago Tribune, 2013). He’s the author of several other books, including My New Puppy, DogGone Chicago and American Zoos.
Steve is a contributor to textbooks The Cat: Clinical Medicine and Management (edited Dr. Susan Little, 2011); Treatment and Care of the Geriatric Veterinary Patient (edited Dr. Mary Gardner and Dr. Dani McVety, 2017) and El Gato Atropellado (translated The Cat: Hit by a Car, edited Dr. Luis Tello, 2019) Foreword for Infectious Disease Handbook (Merck Animal Health, 2017). He was an external reviewer for the 2005 Feline Behavior Guidelines (American Association of Feline Practitioners).
He’s written introductions or contributed chapters and forewords to many books, including Heartfelt Connections: How Animals and People Help One Another; The Pet Parent's Guide: Infectious Disease of Dogs; Cats Revealed: Everything You've Ever Wanted to Know About Living Happily with a Cat; Bonding With Your Dog, Dog Spelled Backwards; The Compassion of Dogs; Raising My Furry Children; Christmas Cats; Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul, and Angel Animals and the Kids Who Love Them.
He’s the primary author of the CATegorical Care: An Owner’s Guide to America’s Number #1 Companion (reviewers include AVMA, SAWA), published American Humane Association/CATalyst Council, 2010). He co-authored (with Dr. Sagi Denenberg) the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior Position Statement on Breed-Specific Legislation (2014). Edited: 50 Years of Advancing Feline Medicine: Winn Feline Foundation Helping Every Cat, Every Day (2018) and Preparing for the Future Celebrating the Winn Feline Foundation at 40 (2008).
Steve is a founder of the CATalyst Council and served on the Board of Directors from 2008 to 2012. After six years, in 2012, he cycled off the Board of Directors of the American Humane Association and served as a National Ambassador. He was a member of the Board of Directors of Tree House Humane Society, Chicago (2005 to 2016). He’s also on the Board of Directors of the Winn Feline Foundation (2007 to present), American Association of Human-Animal Bond Veterinarians (2016 to present). He’s an Advisory Board Member of Chicago Friends of Animal Care & Control (2013to present), SPCA Puerto Vallarta (2016 to present) and Grey Muzzle Organization (2017 to present).
Steve is also a part of an AVMA/AAHA initiative to encourage preventive veterinary care, called Partners for Health Pets. In 2014, Steve co-founded Veterinary Professionals Against Puppy Mills, and serves on the Board of Directors. Steve is on the Pet Partners Human-Animal Bond National Advisory Board (2015 to present) and National Advisory Council Member American Association of Feline Practitioners (20016 to present). He was National Advisory Board Member Angel on a Leash (2005 to 2016) and Task Force on Feline Sterilization (2015 to 2017).
Steve’s a speaker for American Association of Feline Practitioners Cat Friendly Practices and the Fear Free Initiative. He’s on the Fear Free Advisory Council (2013 to present) and is the Chief Correspondent Fear Free Happy Homes, and is certified in Fear Free.
In Chicago, Steve created the Chicago Task Force on Companion Animals and Public Safety (2000-2010), where three-times proposed breed bans were over-turned and twice over-turned proposed mandated pediatric spay/neuter, as well as proposed pet limit laws. The Task Force also created guidelines for ‘doggy day care.’ As a pet advocate, Steve has testified many times against breed specific bans, pet limit laws, etc. in the Chicago area and elsewhere. Steve regularly advised Illinois Governor Pat Quinn regarding pet-related issues, including leading on bills to prohibit breed-specific bans and prosecute dog fighters with enhanced felony charges when convicted of fighting near schools or daycare centers. In 2019, it was Steve's idea to create the first fire fire protection law for pets in kennels, which was signed by Governor J. B. Pritzker.
Among Steve’s many awards, the AVMA Humane Award (the only AVMA honor bestowed to a non-veterinarian), Editor and Publisher syndicated newspaper Feature Writer of the Year Award, AKC Responsible Dog Ownership Public Service Award (twice), HSUS Pets for Life Award, American Humane Association Media Award, American Pet Products Association Pet Industry Outstanding Media Representative of the Year, and has been honored with over 15 Maxwell’s Awards from the Dog Writer’s Association of America and over 15 Muse Awards from the Cat Writers’ Association of America. He’s also been honored by the Chicago Veterinary Medical Association, University of Illinois College of Veterinary Medicine, Friends of Chicago Animal Care and Control, and was the first recipient of the Winn Feline Foundation Media Appreciation Award, and many others.
In 2012, Steve became the youngest person ever inducted into the Dog Writer’s Association of America Hall of Fame.
After his beloved cat Ricky passed away in 2002 of feline hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM), Steve created the Ricky Fund with the Winn Feline Foundation to raise money to research this often-fatal disease. He’s helped to raise over $200,000 – and as a direct result a genetic test was created to determine if a gene defect for HCM exists for two breeds, and further studies are underway.
Steve’s a regular speaker at veterinary and shelter conferences around the world, and for shelter fundraisers, and other special events, including SXSW. Steve’s presented numerous times at each of the major U.S. veterinary conferences, and at state and regional meetings as well as at veterinary schools, and several times for the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants. He’s also spoken at the World Small Animal Veterinary Association Conference (Sydney, Australia); CICA Animal Behavior Conference (Mexico City, Mexico); Latin American Veterinary Conference (Lima, Peru); Congreso Veterinario de Leon (Leon, Mexico); Congreso Veternario de Columbia (Pereira, Columbia); Caribbean Veterinary Conference (St. Kitts); Companion Animal Nutrition Summit (San Jose, Costa Rica); and (via Skype) Australian and New Zealand College of Veterinary Scientists Veterinary Behaviour Chapter Science Week (Brisbane, Australia).
Steve’s persistence convinced the Chicago White Sox to allow dogs at a major league baseball game – today, ball parks around America have periodic “dog days” promotions. In 2004, he suggested Mercury Skyline Cruiseline create “The Canine Cruise,” a dog-friendly architecture cruise for dogs on Lake Michigan/Chicago River, also replicated in other cities.
Steve is also the host (since 2015) of a popular WGN Podcast,Steve Dale’s Other World(about topics generally unrelated to pets).
Two of Steve’s favorite honors: Commencement Speaker at Madison Square Garden for Ross University School of Veterinary Medicine (2008), and appearing (in 2012) as 59 across in a TV Guide Crossword Puzzle (pet journalist Steve _ _ _ _).
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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.
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Announcer: Let's talk pets.
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Linda Hall: Hello, my cat-loving friends.
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Linda Hall: You know, when you really like a guest, you invite them back a few times, and we've got Steve Dale here.
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Linda Hall: Steve is also a certified animal behavior specialist, but he's into so many things, I couldn't even list everything the man does.
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Linda Hall: He is busy, but he's here today to talk to us about the Every Cat Health Foundation, and he has really big FIP news, and we are very excited to talk to him.
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Linda Hall: So, we will be right back after this word from our sponsor.
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Linda Hall: Welcome back to 19 Cats and Counting.
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Linda Hall: I am your co-host, Linda Hall, here with the ever-gorgeous, my BFF, my ride or die, Rita Reimers.
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Rita Reimers: I don't wanna talk to you, I talk to you all the time, all day long.
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Rita Reimers: I love you too, love you too.
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Linda Hall: Yeah, I wanna get this FIB news, because we've been following this for a while.
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Linda Hall: Steve, thank you for coming back and sharing this news with us.
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Steve Dale: It is amazing news, but first of all, ladies, I know that you both knew Richard Simmons, so I want to express my condolences.
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Steve Dale: I mean, I knew someone who knew him, but didn't know they knew one another.
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Steve Dale: Does that make sense?
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Linda Hall: Yes.
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Steve Dale: Until very recently.
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Steve Dale: And she's long passed away, so I never had the opportunity to ask her about him.
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Steve Dale: And while I've interviewed many celebrity types over the years, I never did have the opportunity to speak to him.
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Steve Dale: But he seemed like a person out there to do good.
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Rita Reimers: A hundred percent.
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Rita Reimers: That was his whole focus in life, was giving of himself.
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Rita Reimers: He actually, you know, he's so flamboyant, but in real life, well, he was a lot like that, but he was pretty shy normally.
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Linda Hall: Yeah, I've heard.
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Rita Reimers: Unless he had his reason to be his persona, then he was on stage, right?
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Rita Reimers: But at home, he was pretty quiet.
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Rita Reimers: His house was pretty, it's a nice house, but very modest, not what you'd think.
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Rita Reimers: You'd think it would be real flamboyant, but it's no.
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Linda Hall: It feels like a comfy home, right?
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Rita Reimers: I used to pet his dogs and he would set me up and he had like a little kitchenette off the kitchen.
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Rita Reimers: He'd set me up there and he'd let me watch videos that he got beforehand because he was part of the sag.
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Rita Reimers: So he got to vote on them and it was just very, very nice relationship that we had.
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Rita Reimers: I also worked for him on his radio show and in his studio for about 10 years.
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Rita Reimers: Linda worked for him.
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Rita Reimers: Linda was his original success story information girl.
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Rita Reimers: Where's your magazine?
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Rita Reimers: Where's your magazine?
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Linda Hall: I have no idea where it is right now, but yes, I've had a lot of fun.
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Linda Hall: We got to take trips and do fun things and help people and reach people.
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Linda Hall: Paramount Studios even used a clip of one of my infomercials in the movie What We've Been Want.
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Linda Hall: If you haven't seen it or haven't seen it lately, you'll have to rewatch it because I made Mel Gibson cry.
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Linda Hall: That's my claim to fame.
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Linda Hall: But yeah, we had so much fun just from being in his orbit.
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Linda Hall: He was really everything.
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Steve Dale: I may make both of you cry right now.
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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Oh, no.
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Steve Dale: In a good way.
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Steve Dale: Feline infectious Peritonitis or FIP.
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Steve Dale: If I could back up just a step to briefly explain what it is.
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Steve Dale: It actually took researchers forever, I mean, decades to figure it out because it's so complicated.
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Steve Dale: I happen to be on the board of an organization, non-profit.
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Steve Dale: It was once called The Winn Feline Foundation, but has now for several years been called The Every Cat Health Foundation, which is a better name because we do what we do for any cat, every cat, everywhere, all the time, every day.
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Steve Dale: So for years, what we do is we fund cat health studies.
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Steve Dale: That's all we do.
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Steve Dale: And then educate on those studies we fund and educate folks about cats, from veterinary professionals to cat breeders, to folks like you who are plain cat lovers and can learn more as a result of what we do.
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Steve Dale: So only organization like it on the planet that happens to do what we do.
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Steve Dale: For years, funded before I was on the board decades ago, many researchers, but one in particular, Dr.
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Steve Dale: Niels Petersen.
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Steve Dale: And what he and others ultimately figured out, and fast forwarding the clock here a bit, is that feline infectious peritonitis or FIP is caused by the feline coronavirus, kind of, for reasons we still don't understand.
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Steve Dale: In some cats, mostly kittens, it does this quirky mutation, and it transforms itself from this benign coronavirus.
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Steve Dale: And incidentally, in cats, the feline coronavirus is benign, for the most part.
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Steve Dale: They may have an upset tummy or whatever, but it goes away.
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Steve Dale: However, in one out of every, we don't know how many cats, and we don't exactly know why for all cats, though we have some feeling for some cats, why it transforms into feline infectious peritonitis, a completely different issue, because now we have a terminal immune mediated disease, acting very differently, and unlike the feline coronavirus, which is by the time you call the veterinarian, even if you know the cat has an upset tummy or kitten, usually, and the vet calls you back, the kitten's fine, you know, very different.
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Steve Dale: So what's going on?
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Steve Dale: What do we do about it?
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Steve Dale: Can we vaccinate for it?
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Steve Dale: How do we prevent it?
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Steve Dale: And for decades, researchers around the world, we have funded to figure this out.
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Steve Dale: And it was in 2017, that's I think right, Dr.
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Steve Dale: Niels Petersen, might have been earlier than that, came to the board of directors, which I'm on, our scientific advisory and review committee, and said, I think I've got it.
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Steve Dale: I'm going to go to this human pharmaceutical company called Gilead, and they have a drug called Remdisivir that I think will help kittens with FIP.
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Steve Dale: He had no idea that it would not only help, but cure.
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Rita Reimers: Wow.
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Steve Dale: Cure.
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Rita Reimers: Wow.
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Linda Hall: That's the one that's been so hard.
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Linda Hall: And if I could interrupt you, let me know if I am correct here.
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Linda Hall: My understanding so far, and we've had a few people into FIP on the podcast, is that it is deadly.
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Linda Hall: Hang it up.
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Linda Hall: And up until now, because there was no regulated, agreed upon, this isn't a cat thing, here's the medicine.
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Linda Hall: A lot of that's were just like, sorry about your luck and your cat's going to pass.
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Linda Hall: Then they started this black market, which I assume was a drug.
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Steve Dale: You're ahead of me here.
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Linda Hall: OK, OK, I'll stop there.
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Steve Dale: So what happened was this new drug to the world of cats called Remdesivir, which was only available because it was tried for humans and antiviral, tried for humans for Ebola virus, and it didn't work very well.
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Steve Dale: So, as a result, the pharmaceutical company Gilead had a ton of it on their shelves.
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Steve Dale: And they said, go ahead, try it for cats.
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Steve Dale: And Dr.
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Steve Dale: Peterson did.
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Steve Dale: He had huge success, wanted more, and wanted the pharma company to do more, and they declined.
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Steve Dale: So he went to some other researchers, who he also funded, and said, let's, because now you've got the recipe.
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Steve Dale: So let's create a compound just like that.
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Steve Dale: They did.
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Steve Dale: It's a bunch of letters and numbers after it.
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Steve Dale: I'm not going to go through all that.
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Steve Dale: So in 2019, the Every Cat Health Foundation hosted a symposium at the University of California Davis.
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Steve Dale: It was Dr.
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Steve Dale: Peterson's sort of last stand before his retirement.
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Steve Dale: And at this event, which everyone who had ever studied FIP that we have funded still alive, they weren't alive, we didn't invite them.
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Steve Dale: But the others from around the world invited.
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Rita Reimers: Have a stay out and invite them, right?
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Linda Hall: Yeah, there you go.
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Steve Dale: We could.
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Steve Dale: They came up with a consensus.
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Steve Dale: And here's the part, one of the parts where crying is allowed.
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Steve Dale: I had the honor of announcing that these experts have come together and agreed that FIP is now considered treatable and no longer considered fatal.
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Rita Reimers: That's amazing.
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Steve Dale: And when I made that announcement, I looked up and a room filled with hardened, I'm serious, hardened veterinarians who have seen it all, FIP cats and more, were just tearful.
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Steve Dale: A good friend of mine sitting right there, Dr.
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Steve Dale: Elizabeth Colloran, who's since passed away.
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Steve Dale: And I remember because she had committed so much of herself to all of this.
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Steve Dale: And she was a presenter at this meeting, which, by the way, was broadcast around the world, I said, 2019.
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Steve Dale: So this was pre-pandemic and pre-Zoom.
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Steve Dale: So these kinds of communications were not common, but we had thousands of people watching from all over the world.
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Steve Dale: Well, we made this announcement, but to your point, the drug was not available in the United States.
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Steve Dale: So China came in and said, woo, we know the recipe too.
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Steve Dale: And created lookalike drugs that in fact, we were skeptical.
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Steve Dale: I say we, it's really the experts, which I'm not, but I'm not a chemist or, but the experts were skeptical about it being workable, no control over Chinese products.
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Steve Dale: How do veterinarians even talk about it because there's issues with their license because it's from the black market.
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Steve Dale: Well, we answered all those questions.
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Steve Dale: It turned out that the drugs worked for the most part.
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Steve Dale: And there were issues.
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Steve Dale: Sometimes they were held up at customs, and sometimes they weren't mailed, and sometimes, sometimes, sometimes.
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Steve Dale: But overall, so many lives were saved.
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Steve Dale: Ideal, no.
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Linda Hall: Well, no, because they were trying to get it behind their backs, right?
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Linda Hall: They had, I mean, I know they had like, my cat's got FIP, so I reach out to the organization.
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Linda Hall: I'm not going to be able to order it from China in time.
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Linda Hall: So somebody else gives me their drugs and that I, my drugs come to somebody else.
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Linda Hall: Yeah, it was a whole thing and it was beautiful to see.
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Linda Hall: But in what world do we have to go through all this to get drugs that can save lives?
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Steve Dale: Totally right.
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Steve Dale: I mean, it didn't typically work that way, but it often did.
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Steve Dale: And Peter did a lot more than that and continues to raise money for FIP studies, which we continue to need.
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Steve Dale: But yeah, people, you're right, would meet each other.
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Steve Dale: I didn't get my delivery for whatever reason.
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Steve Dale: It's not going to come to me.
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Steve Dale: My cat needs it.
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Steve Dale: You would do the same thing.
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Steve Dale: I'm sure I would.
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Linda Hall: In a heartbeat.
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Linda Hall: If you're telling me your cat's not going to live until this delivery from China, I could throw everything I got at you.
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Linda Hall: I mean.
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Steve Dale: And you know, so I'd have to go to a Walmart parking lot and meet someone at midnight and exchange drugs and hope the police don't see, you know?
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Linda Hall: That's crazy.
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Rita Reimers: That's totally silly that it had to be that way, right?
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Steve Dale: Yeah, it still can be, you know?
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Steve Dale: So, so the good news that recently happened is that a company that has been providing compounded product in various countries around the world, including australia, Belgium, the UK, and others, said, OK, we will now do this in the United States.
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Steve Dale: So the company is Stokes Pharmacy taking this recipe from Bova Drugs, it's called.
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Steve Dale: The bottom line now, it's a US manufacturer.
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Steve Dale: Now, it's a compounded product.
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Steve Dale: It's not a pharmaceutical that is officially OK'd by the Food and Drug Administration Center for Veterinary Medicine, which is what we need.
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Steve Dale: And we have one waiting in the wings still.
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Rita Reimers: So the vets can't prescribe it yet.
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Steve Dale: They can actually.
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Rita Reimers: Oh, good.
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Steve Dale: They can.
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Steve Dale: So they can prescribe it.
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Steve Dale: They can if there's a question or concern.
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Steve Dale: They so the veterinarians, the way it should be, of course, the veterinarian in this one, not the Chinese thing.
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Rita Reimers: Yeah.
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Steve Dale: But in this one, they can directly be involved.
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Steve Dale: Now, there are some wonderful people on Facebook groups, et cetera, and veterinarians included, including superstars in veterinary medicine now that are on these Facebook pages that help with the Chinese product questions.
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Steve Dale: Having said that, having your veterinarian, your own provider, directly say, potentially have it in clinic right there and here, you don't have to wait at all.
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Steve Dale: That's important because the wait time is an issue.
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Steve Dale: Having said that, this is a chewable product, it's compounded.
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Steve Dale: Being compounded and tasting like tuna can be great, but these cats often are so sick, that they don't want to eat, right?
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Steve Dale: So how do you get this into the cat?
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Steve Dale: Also, there's some conjecture without demonstrative evidence at all.
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Steve Dale: For the sickest kitties, that the injectable works better, more quickly.
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Steve Dale: Again, so far, we need evidence on this, but without evidence.
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Steve Dale: In any which case, this is yet another positive step, that I hope you also cry, because I said, I'd make you cry, because this is amazing.
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Steve Dale: At least we're moving in the right direction.
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Rita Reimers: Is this a single injectable or is it a series of shots?
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Steve Dale: Oh, it's a series.
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Rita Reimers: Can you do it at home?
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Rita Reimers: I know how to give shots.
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Steve Dale: So when they get these things from China, and that's the thing, the injectable itself is like this big.
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Steve Dale: It's a horse thing.
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Steve Dale: Wow.
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Steve Dale: And the cats don't like it.
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Steve Dale: They're not feeling well.
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Steve Dale: What cat likes getting an injection under the best of circumstances anyway?
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Steve Dale: So it's a difficult thing for a lot of pet parents to do.
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Steve Dale: Having said that, the peeling part of it isn't necessarily easier, depending on the individual cat.
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Steve Dale: However, now we have an option that is viable, an option that at least for many cats will and has worked.
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Steve Dale: And that is the good news.
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Steve Dale: The other thing is that pet insurance won't cover anything from China, but will cover depending on the company.
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Linda Hall: How come we are not hearing more of this?
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Steve Dale: Well, that's what I'm here for.
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Rita Reimers: Exactly.
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Linda Hall: I know we got to take a break.
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Rita Reimers: Yeah, we got about two minutes to break, but we can work a little early.
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Linda Hall: All right, let's break because my...
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Rita Reimers: I know.
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Steve Dale: Okay, I'll tell you one thing.
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Steve Dale: Yeah.
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Steve Dale: It won't even take the two minutes.
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Steve Dale: It'll be your tease.
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Steve Dale: When we come back from break, I want to talk about how this story that I've told, there's a secret word and it has saved countless human lives.
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Steve Dale: So cats have saved countless human lives around the world.
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Steve Dale: I'll tell you that story when we come back.
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Linda Hall: Awesome.
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Rita Reimers: Let's take a little break and we'll be back in just a few minutes.
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Linda Hall: Hey, it's Linda Hall from 19 Cats and Counting.
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Rita Reimers: I'm Rita Reimers from 19 Cats and Counting.
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Rita Reimers: You know the expression that cats have nine lives?
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Linda Hall: With spay and neuter.
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Linda Hall: Spaying or neutering your cat helps them live a longer, healthier life.
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Linda Hall: And it helps control the free roaming cat populations too.
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Linda Hall: You can learn more about the benefits of spay and neuter and meet Scooter, the neutered cat, at givethem10.org.
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Rita Reimers: That's givethem10.org.
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Rita Reimers: Okay, so we are back with Steve Dale.
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Rita Reimers: We're talking about amazing advancements in the world of FIP, and there's actually, sure, no, and I want to hear more about it.
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Rita Reimers: And I know Linda's been sitting on her hands.
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Rita Reimers: It's hard for Linda to be quiet, but she has the world.
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Linda Hall: It's terrible, it's terrible.
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Rita Reimers: So you left us with a teaser, Steve.
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Linda Hall: Yes, well, I wanted to say real quick, many, many years ago, I took a cat, a big old tuxy boy we had found outside.
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Linda Hall: My daughter named him Boo Boo because somebody shot him in the butt with a BB.
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Linda Hall: And he went in to get his neuter.
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Linda Hall: And they told me, it's a long, long time ago, probably 30 years ago, they told me he was FIV positive and that I needed to euthanize.
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Linda Hall: And I got there and they gave me my cat in a trash bag.
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Linda Hall: And I still remember standing at my van, ripping the bag, going, my cat's not trash.
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Linda Hall: Every time somebody tells me they took their cat in and they said, it's FIP, there's nothing we can do, we're killing your cat.
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Rita Reimers: She remembers Boo Boo.
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Linda Hall: And I see that trash bag.
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Linda Hall: And what you're saying is going to stop so many people from having to experience that.
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Linda Hall: I mean, look how far I've got an FIP boy behind me.
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Linda Hall: You know, that is not the big scary monster it used to be.
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Linda Hall: And now what you and this organization are doing is changing that so many more people are not going to have to go through what we went through at that time.
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Linda Hall: That's just everything.
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Rita Reimers: Does this work for both kinds of wet and dry FIP?
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Rita Reimers: It does.
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Steve Dale: Yeah.
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Steve Dale: And also the neurologic form, which is the most challenging.
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Steve Dale: And it is thought by some, again, without demonstrable evidence, we don't know, that for those kitties, the injections at first, at least, are probably a good idea.
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Steve Dale: But I say that and it's all anecdotal.
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Steve Dale: We just don't know.
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Linda Hall: It makes sense.
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Linda Hall: I mean, if you've got a bad infection, you know, they can give you pills, but if it's really bad, they're going to give you a shot to get it started, right?
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Steve Dale: Yeah, it has to do with things that are more technical than that.
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Steve Dale: But yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess you're right.
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Steve Dale: I mean, when I think about it, the essence of what you say, it gets there.
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Steve Dale: It's actually true.
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Steve Dale: And, you know, I was on the board of a shelter in Chicago, and this goes back years where the good news is we would take the FIV, Feline Immunodeficiency virus.
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Steve Dale: I'm not talking FIP at the moment, right?
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Steve Dale: We would take those cats.
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Steve Dale: We were one of the first shelters to do it and criticized for doing it.
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Steve Dale: And today, both those cats and FVLV, Feline Leukemia Cats, we know.
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Steve Dale: You know, I would argue that your cat behind you, that orange guy, Yeah.
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Steve Dale: will actually live or have as much of a chance of living a longer life than, well, my cat's not in the room now, but than our cat, who doesn't have FVLV or FIV in particular.
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Rita Reimers: Why do you say that?
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Steve Dale: Yeah.
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Steve Dale: So the reason for that is because every time your cat goes, you're running to the vet.
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Rita Reimers: That's true story.
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Rita Reimers: That's a true story.
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Steve Dale: And that's the right thing to do with cats that have FIV.
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Steve Dale: But because you're on top of it and paying attention to every little thing, I mean, you guys are experts.
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Steve Dale: So you in particular would know.
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Steve Dale: But in general, people who have FIV cats are going to pay such careful attention, visit the veterinary, and I hope twice, not once a year.
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Linda Hall: Yes.
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Steve Dale: Actually, the help of those cats proactively will be better taken care of.
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Steve Dale: That's anecdotal as well.
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Steve Dale: But that is my feeling about that.
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Steve Dale: I'm sticking to it.
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Linda Hall: Yes.
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Linda Hall: That is kind of a joke around here.
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Linda Hall: If one of the other, there's 12 total.
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Linda Hall: If any 11 cat sneezes.
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Rita Reimers: I have 19.
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Linda Hall: If you think 12 is bad.
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Linda Hall: Yes, she beats me.
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Rita Reimers: Don't try this at home, folks.
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Linda Hall: Any of those 11 sneeze, I'm yelling out to my family members, you guys keep an eye on so-and-so.
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Linda Hall: He sneezed.
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Linda Hall: I just want to make sure this doesn't become something.
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Linda Hall: Kismet sneezes.
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Rita Reimers: She's to the vet.
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Announcer: Pulling the vet right now.
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Linda Hall: I am on the phone.
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Linda Hall: He does not pass go.
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Rita Reimers: I have an FIV cat too, but he's so feral.
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Rita Reimers: I don't see a lot of him, so I can't take as great of care of him as I want to.
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Rita Reimers: He should have been released outside because of the FIV.
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Linda Hall: Yeah, he was meant to fit the TNR.
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Linda Hall: And I want to hear, okay, the secret word, what was this teaser you left us with?
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Steve Dale: So, FIP, FIP or feline infectious peritonitis.
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Steve Dale: I told you that part of the story, but there's another part of the story as well.
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Steve Dale: So, in 2023, if I think I've got the year right, COVID hit.
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Steve Dale: And we didn't have-
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Linda Hall: 2020.
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Rita Reimers: 2020, Linda lost her son-in-law.
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Steve Dale: I'm sorry.
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Linda Hall: Yeah, COVID ravaged my home, but anyway-
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Steve Dale: I had the year very wrong.
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Linda Hall: Yeah, 2020.
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Linda Hall: I only know because, yeah, the master passed on august 20th, 2020, and it's, you know.
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Steve Dale: Yeah, and it actually hit China toward the end of 2019.
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Steve Dale: So, at that point in time, researchers began to look for options all across the world, not only in America, but in America as well.
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Steve Dale: Antiviral options, so the antibiotic options, apparently like that, antiviral options like that.
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Steve Dale: And somebody somewhere, and I know the story isn't a story, it's true, but it still can be a story if it's true.
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Linda Hall: That's true.
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Rita Reimers: Yeah.
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Rita Reimers: Yeah, it's a true story.
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Rita Reimers: It's a true, the true Hollywood story.
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Linda Hall: Yes, that's it.
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Steve Dale: So you're about to hear an e-true Hollywood story, which is this.
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Steve Dale: Researchers, well, they knew human beings are not cats, sometimes we hope, but we're not.
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Steve Dale: They looked at the drug that was being written about in scientific journals, peer review, that was curing cats of FIP.
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Steve Dale: And originally that drug, Remdisivir.
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Steve Dale: Remdisivir then was tried out in clinical trials very quickly to see if it would help people, to see if it would cause major side effects, et cetera, et cetera.
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Steve Dale: Turns out that it did help people.
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Steve Dale: I'm talking about people with COVID-19, with a human SARS-induced coronavirus, SARS Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome, coronavirus that affected your family.
00:24:55.977 --> 00:24:59.157
Steve Dale: And it was affecting millions of families around the globe.
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Rita Reimers: Oh, yes.
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Steve Dale: Well, it turns out this drug, well, not the perfect solution for COVID-19, was a part of the answer and contributed to saving thousands of lives, countless thousands around the world.
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Steve Dale: That would not have happened if it wasn't for Dr.
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Steve Dale: Pedersen looking at that drug, if it wasn't for us saying, Dr.
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Steve Dale: Pedersen, you can have the money to do it.
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Steve Dale: And it wasn't for kittens getting FIP in the first place.
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Steve Dale: You know, we hear about One Health stories and they're out there.
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Steve Dale: There are many of them.
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Steve Dale: Most include dogs, but here's a cat story about cats saving so many lives.
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Steve Dale: By the way, Remdesivir is available to treat FIP in America.
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Steve Dale: It can be used by veterinarians.
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Steve Dale: The problems are availability of it, administration of it, and also the cost is pretty prohibited for many.
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Steve Dale: So it's a far easier way to go as to what I described.
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Steve Dale: The goal might be to create a vaccine.
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Steve Dale: And if we can prevent the coronavirus from happening in kittens, maybe we can in people too.
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Rita Reimers: That would be wonderful.
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Rita Reimers: But that's why, though, that the red hemisphere became so hard to get is because it was effective in helping people with the virus.
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Rita Reimers: Yes.
00:26:22.637 --> 00:26:26.257
Steve Dale: Well, as it turned out, Gilead, they didn't know, maybe they did somehow.
00:26:26.257 --> 00:26:27.577
Steve Dale: I don't think they did.
00:26:27.577 --> 00:26:29.397
Steve Dale: Knew that it was going to be a pandemic.
00:26:29.397 --> 00:26:35.837
Steve Dale: However, they did know, apparently, or felt, we've got something here we want to hold on to.
00:26:35.837 --> 00:26:37.077
Steve Dale: They're thinking behind that.
00:26:37.077 --> 00:26:39.317
Steve Dale: I can't even guess.
00:26:39.317 --> 00:26:41.637
Steve Dale: Turned out to be a good thing for the world in some ways.
00:26:42.037 --> 00:26:44.117
Steve Dale: But they did hold on to that drug.
00:26:44.117 --> 00:26:47.817
Steve Dale: But I argue, I wish they had made it available to cats.
00:26:47.817 --> 00:26:48.717
Steve Dale: Well, no matter.
00:26:48.717 --> 00:26:50.677
Steve Dale: Now it is.
00:26:50.677 --> 00:26:55.817
Steve Dale: The thing is, I mean, there are lots of products used, quote, off-label in veterinary medicine.
00:26:55.817 --> 00:26:58.357
Steve Dale: Every single day, it's perfectly legal.
00:26:58.357 --> 00:27:01.477
Steve Dale: However, let me see if I can give you an example.
00:27:03.457 --> 00:27:08.857
Steve Dale: Metronidazole for dogs with runny stools, or a cat.
00:27:09.317 --> 00:27:11.957
Steve Dale: A flagell, same drug, flagell, yeah.
00:27:11.957 --> 00:27:13.337
Steve Dale: Yeah, I believe that's off-label.
00:27:13.337 --> 00:27:23.117
Steve Dale: I mean, there's so many of them that are really huge products that are, we know are safe for pets and studied, and veterinarians do it that way.
00:27:23.117 --> 00:27:25.817
Steve Dale: And that's been the way for decades and decades.
00:27:25.817 --> 00:27:27.857
Steve Dale: There's no issue with that.
00:27:27.857 --> 00:27:32.017
Steve Dale: But the issue with remdesivir, as I say, is first cost, secondly, availability.
00:27:32.017 --> 00:27:38.017
Steve Dale: And the third is I believe the way it has to be administered is in hospital, and that makes it even more costly.
00:27:38.497 --> 00:27:42.457
Steve Dale: And difficult for many cats to do that are fragile anyway.
00:27:42.457 --> 00:27:46.657
Steve Dale: In other countries, it is being used a little more readily than in America.
00:27:46.657 --> 00:27:52.777
Steve Dale: No matter, now we have two good options, and if we keep looking for more, we will find more.
00:27:52.777 --> 00:27:57.797
Steve Dale: And some of those may be antivirals that end up helping people too.
00:27:57.797 --> 00:27:59.557
Rita Reimers: So do all the veterinarians know this?
00:27:59.557 --> 00:28:07.077
Rita Reimers: I mean, if you take a cat and your cat is diagnosed with FIP, will your vet automatically know these drugs are available?
00:28:07.177 --> 00:28:12.137
Rita Reimers: Or is it our responsibility to say, look, I know these drugs are available and I want them?
00:28:12.137 --> 00:28:15.437
Steve Dale: I think that most, I don't know the answer really.
00:28:15.437 --> 00:28:18.897
Steve Dale: I would hope that most feline practitioners know.
00:28:18.897 --> 00:28:22.357
Steve Dale: I don't know that all general practitioners do.
00:28:22.357 --> 00:28:29.637
Steve Dale: This will be a hot topic at veterinary conferences for the remainder of the year and mostly into next year.
00:28:29.637 --> 00:28:31.337
Rita Reimers: I was hoping that you would say that.
00:28:31.337 --> 00:28:39.097
Linda Hall: I remember when I first found out that veterinarians legally, technically couldn't say, yes, there's a treatment for this, blah, blah, blah.
00:28:39.097 --> 00:28:47.117
Linda Hall: And I just remember thinking, if I was a vet, how horrible to know I can save this cat's life, but yet my hands are tied by legality.
00:28:47.117 --> 00:28:50.177
Rita Reimers: I think they did say you can get this drug on the black market.
00:28:50.697 --> 00:28:52.697
Linda Hall: Yeah, I think some people were like, check out this place.
00:28:52.897 --> 00:28:53.197
Linda Hall: Yeah.
00:28:53.197 --> 00:28:55.397
Steve Dale: So at first, they were really terrible.
00:28:55.397 --> 00:28:57.177
Steve Dale: First, nobody knew it.
00:28:57.177 --> 00:29:00.617
Steve Dale: That was the issue, getting word out there that this was even possible.
00:29:00.637 --> 00:29:03.937
Steve Dale: Once that happened, there were concerns about the black market, which I understand.
00:29:04.477 --> 00:29:06.697
Steve Dale: And people like Elizabeth Cullin, Dr.
00:29:06.697 --> 00:29:13.217
Steve Dale: Cullin pounded the pavement at veterinary conferences and said to her colleagues, you can do this.
00:29:13.597 --> 00:29:16.197
Steve Dale: And here's how legally you can do this.
00:29:16.197 --> 00:29:19.277
Steve Dale: And you can say, go to FIP Warriors.
00:29:20.137 --> 00:29:25.897
Steve Dale: They're just telling you to go to a website and learn more about what is happening now.
00:29:25.897 --> 00:29:28.557
Steve Dale: You don't even have to mention the drug if you don't want.
00:29:28.557 --> 00:29:32.077
Steve Dale: And I will supply additional support.
00:29:32.197 --> 00:29:47.457
Steve Dale: So if the cat needs fluids, if the cat needs monitoring blood work along the way, which they do, all of those things they were able to do sort of quietly, but legally, I mean, providing that supportive care is not illegal.
00:29:47.457 --> 00:29:48.577
Steve Dale: That's the right thing to do.
00:29:48.577 --> 00:29:50.077
Steve Dale: There's no ethical issue with that.
00:29:50.077 --> 00:29:53.677
Rita Reimers: Now, hopefully this will make the need for FIP Warriors moved, right?
00:29:53.677 --> 00:29:57.357
Rita Reimers: because you can now get this drug that's covered by your insurance.
00:29:57.357 --> 00:29:58.677
Rita Reimers: I'd much rather do that.
00:29:59.497 --> 00:30:06.677
Steve Dale: Yeah, again, if indeed the injectable for some cats is needed first, there is no injectable today in America.
00:30:06.677 --> 00:30:09.757
Steve Dale: There is a pharma company working with the FDA.
00:30:09.757 --> 00:30:15.657
Steve Dale: I had hoped, personally, that the drug would have been out by last year approved.
00:30:15.657 --> 00:30:16.917
Steve Dale: We know it works.
00:30:16.917 --> 00:30:19.157
Steve Dale: So far, not this year, and probably not.
00:30:19.157 --> 00:30:21.537
Steve Dale: I would suggest it will happen next year, though.
00:30:21.537 --> 00:30:26.977
Steve Dale: And once that happens, we might not even need the compounded option anymore.
00:30:27.257 --> 00:30:29.157
Steve Dale: And that will be FDA fully approved.
00:30:29.157 --> 00:30:30.797
Steve Dale: There will be no questions about it.
00:30:30.797 --> 00:30:34.717
Steve Dale: So then we'll have yet an additional and maybe the best option of all.
00:30:34.717 --> 00:30:36.037
Linda Hall: So many lives are changing.
00:30:36.037 --> 00:30:42.157
Linda Hall: And if I got you correctly, you know, my son got, I sort of say, FIP, he did not.
00:30:42.157 --> 00:30:44.897
Linda Hall: He got COVID.
00:30:44.897 --> 00:30:47.257
Rita Reimers: Before we did, before we even knew what it was.
00:30:47.257 --> 00:30:49.057
Linda Hall: I'm thinking about his second round.
00:30:49.057 --> 00:30:49.577
Linda Hall: Yes.
00:30:49.577 --> 00:30:51.057
Linda Hall: So my son-in-law is gone.
00:30:51.297 --> 00:30:54.017
Linda Hall: I was hospitalized in ICU with COVID.
00:30:54.017 --> 00:30:55.237
Rita Reimers: She was modest about that.
00:30:55.237 --> 00:30:56.277
Linda Hall: We were requested to do something about that.
00:30:56.277 --> 00:30:58.237
Linda Hall: It was a scary moment.
00:30:58.257 --> 00:31:00.377
Linda Hall: I'm immune compromised because I have a mess.
00:31:00.377 --> 00:31:03.097
Linda Hall: So anyway, we're all through it.
00:31:03.097 --> 00:31:04.277
Linda Hall: It's before Christmas.
00:31:04.277 --> 00:31:05.697
Linda Hall: My son's not feeling well.
00:31:05.697 --> 00:31:09.717
Linda Hall: I'm super like, before we go over to grandma and grandpa's are going to get you tested.
00:31:09.717 --> 00:31:11.137
Linda Hall: Yeah, he had COVID.
00:31:11.137 --> 00:31:14.077
Linda Hall: They gave him remdesivir.
00:31:14.077 --> 00:31:16.017
Linda Hall: And it did help.
00:31:16.737 --> 00:31:29.297
Linda Hall: And I'm, if I'm understanding you correctly, the absolute nightmare we went through with Sebastian versus what my son went through because he got the remdesivir has been brought to you by cats and cat lovers.
00:31:29.297 --> 00:31:30.837
Linda Hall: Is that what I'm hearing?
00:31:30.837 --> 00:31:31.557
Steve Dale: Yeah.
00:31:31.557 --> 00:31:36.677
Steve Dale: So what you need to do is write us at Every Cat Health Foundation, please.
00:31:36.677 --> 00:31:38.437
Steve Dale: A million dollar check.
00:31:38.437 --> 00:31:38.837
Steve Dale: Yeah.
00:31:38.837 --> 00:31:39.017
Steve Dale: Yeah.
00:31:39.017 --> 00:31:39.737
Linda Hall: I'll get right on that.
00:31:39.737 --> 00:31:40.717
Steve Dale: We're happy to do this.
00:31:40.717 --> 00:31:41.857
Steve Dale: You know, do that.
00:31:41.857 --> 00:31:42.537
Rita Reimers: I want to do that.
00:31:43.857 --> 00:31:55.657
Steve Dale: I'm really, what would really be nice, I should be telling you offline, but I'll tell you online since I started it anyway, would be a little video from you to tell that story that we could post on our website.
00:31:55.657 --> 00:31:57.177
Linda Hall: Gladly.
00:31:57.177 --> 00:32:00.817
Steve Dale: because we're really part of that story at Every Cat Health Foundation.
00:32:00.817 --> 00:32:01.417
Linda Hall: Yes.
00:32:01.417 --> 00:32:08.157
Steve Dale: Now, we didn't create the drug, but no one would have thought about that drug for cats if it wasn't for Dr.
00:32:08.157 --> 00:32:08.677
Steve Dale: Petersen.
00:32:10.237 --> 00:32:10.797
Steve Dale: Dr.
00:32:10.797 --> 00:32:11.377
Steve Dale: Petersen.
00:32:11.377 --> 00:32:15.017
Steve Dale: But we're the one who said, okay, you could have the money to do the clinical trials.
00:32:15.017 --> 00:32:22.217
Steve Dale: He himself was surprised when not only did it work to help, it worked to cure.
00:32:22.217 --> 00:32:25.537
Steve Dale: He thought they'd get a little better and they could live longer or whatever.
00:32:25.537 --> 00:32:31.577
Steve Dale: And the side effects are there potentially, but they're minimal.
00:32:31.577 --> 00:32:32.657
Steve Dale: Minimal.
00:32:32.657 --> 00:32:35.157
Steve Dale: What are the side effects are better than death?
00:32:35.397 --> 00:32:36.857
Rita Reimers: Yes, I agree.
00:32:36.857 --> 00:32:37.797
Rita Reimers: What are the side effects?
00:32:37.797 --> 00:32:38.877
Rita Reimers: Do you know?
00:32:38.877 --> 00:32:43.957
Steve Dale: just kind of not feeling well on and off and that kind of, they're really minimal.
00:32:43.957 --> 00:32:50.397
Linda Hall: The COVID vaccine made me feel like I was out of my bed, but it was worth it.
00:32:50.397 --> 00:32:51.057
Rita Reimers: Awful.
00:32:51.057 --> 00:32:54.937
Rita Reimers: I would rather have the little side effects than have COVID again.
00:32:54.937 --> 00:32:56.657
Rita Reimers: I had it too in November.
00:32:56.657 --> 00:32:57.657
Rita Reimers: It was pretty bad.
00:32:57.657 --> 00:32:58.697
Linda Hall: Oh, yes, she had a pretty bad.
00:32:58.697 --> 00:32:59.117
Steve Dale: Yeah.
00:32:59.117 --> 00:33:01.977
Steve Dale: The good news is for a lot of people, but not everyone.
00:33:01.977 --> 00:33:02.517
Steve Dale: That's the thing.
00:33:02.897 --> 00:33:07.197
Steve Dale: The symptoms of COVID are minimized today.
00:33:07.197 --> 00:33:11.357
Steve Dale: It's like a bad, really bad cold, but that's not for everybody.
00:33:11.357 --> 00:33:14.017
Steve Dale: The other thing is after you get a cold, it's over.
00:33:14.017 --> 00:33:16.357
Steve Dale: For some people, they still get long COVID.
00:33:17.197 --> 00:33:18.697
Steve Dale: It's still nothing to play around with.
00:33:18.697 --> 00:33:21.837
Rita Reimers: I still have issues with tasting certain things.
00:33:21.837 --> 00:33:23.617
Rita Reimers: citrus tastes like pickles.
00:33:23.617 --> 00:33:25.837
Rita Reimers: There's certain things that just don't taste right.
00:33:25.837 --> 00:33:28.937
Steve Dale: I was actually in the vaccine trial for COVID.
00:33:28.937 --> 00:33:29.717
Rita Reimers: Oh, wow.
00:33:30.137 --> 00:33:36.077
Steve Dale: And I had a side effect, which shocked the doctors that I can tell you about.
00:33:36.077 --> 00:33:40.257
Steve Dale: So I was actually thrilled to be in the trial.
00:33:40.257 --> 00:33:52.037
Steve Dale: And when I entered the trial, they ask you after every time you get a jab in the arm, all sorts of questions and you come in for a cursory physical exam as well.
00:33:52.037 --> 00:33:56.837
Steve Dale: They take your blood pressure and your heart rate and your pulse and whatever.
00:33:56.837 --> 00:34:01.117
Steve Dale: And they want to know if you've gotten COVID, obviously, does the vaccine work?
00:34:01.117 --> 00:34:03.717
Steve Dale: And whatever else they asked you or tested you for.
00:34:03.717 --> 00:34:05.697
Steve Dale: But one question was about side effects.
00:34:05.697 --> 00:34:09.517
Steve Dale: And I told them, I'm hungrier for ice cream.
00:34:09.517 --> 00:34:10.957
Rita Reimers: Wow, that's bizarre.
00:34:10.957 --> 00:34:12.297
Rita Reimers: I wonder why.
00:34:12.297 --> 00:34:15.197
Steve Dale: So it's a particular kind of ice cream.
00:34:15.197 --> 00:34:17.317
Steve Dale: So I would tell them that every time I came in.
00:34:17.317 --> 00:34:19.097
Steve Dale: Finally, I got a call from Dr.
00:34:19.097 --> 00:34:22.717
Steve Dale: Richard Novak, who ran the study, the guy who runs the study.
00:34:22.717 --> 00:34:27.497
Steve Dale: And he said, and because I'm on the radio in Chicago and he's based in Chicago, he knew of me, I believe.
00:34:28.117 --> 00:34:30.937
Steve Dale: But he said, can you explain this to me?
00:34:30.937 --> 00:34:35.637
Steve Dale: I said, well, I, and this was during COVID, you couldn't go anywhere, right?
00:34:35.917 --> 00:34:40.717
Steve Dale: But this one little store was open that sold ice cream.
00:34:40.717 --> 00:34:46.537
Steve Dale: And I would go there and I would get banana graham cracker ice cream.
00:34:46.537 --> 00:34:48.197
Rita Reimers: Ooh, that sounds good.
00:34:48.197 --> 00:34:49.297
Linda Hall: Yes.
00:34:49.297 --> 00:34:51.377
Steve Dale: And I became addicted.
00:34:51.377 --> 00:34:54.837
Steve Dale: Eventually had to go to the Betty Ford Center, which is a whole different story.
00:34:54.917 --> 00:34:57.697
Linda Hall: They ride you out, the withdrawals were horrible.
00:34:57.697 --> 00:35:02.457
Steve Dale: But I would go there because I didn't know when I enlisted for the study, they'd pay me.
00:35:02.457 --> 00:35:05.777
Steve Dale: Now, you're not going to make a living off what they pay you.
00:35:05.877 --> 00:35:08.537
Steve Dale: So I decided to spend the payment on ice cream.
00:35:08.537 --> 00:35:09.857
Steve Dale: It about evened out.
00:35:09.857 --> 00:35:10.117
Linda Hall: I love it.
00:35:10.117 --> 00:35:12.837
Steve Dale: So I would go after every time I get the ice cream.
00:35:12.837 --> 00:35:14.777
Steve Dale: So I told them how good it was.
00:35:14.777 --> 00:35:17.857
Steve Dale: And apparently what I didn't know, and the reason for Dr.
00:35:17.857 --> 00:35:22.797
Steve Dale: Novak calling me, is they have to put down into writing no matter what you say.
00:35:23.417 --> 00:35:37.817
Steve Dale: So in the medical records at the American Medical Association, if you look under the vaccine trial, and all of the side effects, you will see craving Bananar Graham Cracker ice cream.
00:35:37.817 --> 00:35:39.257
Rita Reimers: Oh my gosh.
00:35:39.257 --> 00:35:41.177
Rita Reimers: Now I want that ice cream.
00:35:41.177 --> 00:35:42.057
Steve Dale: I do too.
00:35:42.057 --> 00:35:42.857
Steve Dale: I know.
00:35:42.897 --> 00:35:43.857
Steve Dale: So Dr.
00:35:43.857 --> 00:35:44.097
Steve Dale: Novak...
00:35:44.097 --> 00:35:45.257
Rita Reimers: Do you still eat that?
00:35:45.557 --> 00:35:45.737
Steve Dale: Go ahead.
00:35:46.277 --> 00:35:46.917
Rita Reimers: What about Dr.
00:35:46.917 --> 00:35:47.057
Rita Reimers: Novak?
00:35:47.057 --> 00:35:47.797
Steve Dale: So Dr.
00:35:47.797 --> 00:35:55.777
Steve Dale: Novak actually went in and tried the ice cream for himself a couple of weeks later, and identified himself when he came in.
00:35:55.777 --> 00:36:01.197
Steve Dale: So they told me that some doctor came in and said, you said the ice cream was really good.
00:36:01.737 --> 00:36:03.357
Linda Hall: It's like, get me some of this.
00:36:03.357 --> 00:36:04.317
Linda Hall: I love it.
00:36:04.317 --> 00:36:06.317
Rita Reimers: Now we have to make a trip to Chicago.
00:36:06.317 --> 00:36:06.797
Linda Hall: Right.
00:36:06.817 --> 00:36:07.897
Linda Hall: I love Chicago.
00:36:07.897 --> 00:36:08.617
Steve Dale: I haven't been there yet.
00:36:08.617 --> 00:36:10.397
Steve Dale: Wendy's City Sweets.
00:36:10.397 --> 00:36:13.357
Steve Dale: They have good ice cream and candy everywhere.
00:36:13.357 --> 00:36:14.197
Linda Hall: Yum.
00:36:14.557 --> 00:36:17.097
Steve Dale: They even have a bar for licorice.
00:36:17.097 --> 00:36:20.077
Rita Reimers: Oh, I love licorice.
00:36:20.077 --> 00:36:20.377
Linda Hall: Okay.
00:36:20.377 --> 00:36:21.057
Rita Reimers: We're going.
00:36:21.057 --> 00:36:21.457
Linda Hall: Right.
00:36:21.457 --> 00:36:21.937
Linda Hall: Exactly.
00:36:21.937 --> 00:36:22.437
Linda Hall: We're on our way.
00:36:22.437 --> 00:36:23.557
Rita Reimers: Put that on the list.
00:36:23.557 --> 00:36:25.237
Rita Reimers: There's so many places we want to go.
00:36:25.237 --> 00:36:26.097
Linda Hall: Yes.
00:36:26.097 --> 00:36:28.277
Linda Hall: We are so grateful for you right now.
00:36:28.277 --> 00:36:30.397
Linda Hall: See, this is just the best news I can.
00:36:30.397 --> 00:36:32.337
Linda Hall: I'm going to be doing this grinning thing all day.
00:36:32.337 --> 00:36:34.097
Linda Hall: My teeth are going to start to hurt.
00:36:34.097 --> 00:36:42.077
Linda Hall: because I just, all of the cat lives that are being saved, all of the humans that love their cats, and they're going to live with us forever.
00:36:42.537 --> 00:36:46.917
Linda Hall: All of the vets whose hands are tied, all of the people that have worked so tirelessly.
00:36:46.917 --> 00:36:49.137
Linda Hall: I just thank you just not cover it.
00:36:49.137 --> 00:36:50.957
Rita Reimers: FIP warriors must be so happy.
00:36:50.957 --> 00:36:53.757
Steve Dale: FIP warriors, they're heroes in all the story.
00:36:53.897 --> 00:36:57.877
Steve Dale: I just want to say that it isn't only FIP.
00:36:57.877 --> 00:37:01.757
Steve Dale: Between your 78 cats, the both of you have, or whatever.
00:37:02.737 --> 00:37:04.377
Linda Hall: I'm trying to make them another one.
00:37:04.617 --> 00:37:05.757
Steve Dale: Whatever that number is.
00:37:05.757 --> 00:37:08.057
Steve Dale: Pretty much everything medically we know.
00:37:08.057 --> 00:37:14.617
Steve Dale: So an example would be FIV, or FELV, Feline Immunodeficiency virus.
00:37:14.617 --> 00:37:16.217
Steve Dale: No one knew this before.
00:37:16.217 --> 00:37:18.517
Steve Dale: I was out on the board decades and decades ago.
00:37:18.517 --> 00:37:22.737
Steve Dale: No one knew exactly what it was or how it worked, how it was transmitted.
00:37:22.737 --> 00:37:29.557
Steve Dale: And it's our funding through the organization for which is Every Cat Health Foundation that we figured that out.
00:37:29.597 --> 00:37:31.857
Steve Dale: FELV, similar story.
00:37:31.857 --> 00:37:33.257
Steve Dale: No one knew it was a retrovirus.
00:37:33.377 --> 00:37:34.677
Steve Dale: It took several years.
00:37:34.677 --> 00:37:37.057
Steve Dale: It was figured out through our funding.
00:37:37.057 --> 00:37:43.097
Steve Dale: And because of that, Morris Animal Foundation later came up with a vaccine for it.
00:37:43.097 --> 00:37:45.237
Steve Dale: You know, so they're part of the story too.
00:37:45.237 --> 00:37:49.357
Steve Dale: But the collaboration was incredible, you know?
00:37:49.357 --> 00:37:56.397
Steve Dale: So there isn't anything that any cat, including all of your 143 cats, there isn't anything-
00:37:56.397 --> 00:37:57.637
Rita Reimers: The number keeps getting bigger.
00:37:57.637 --> 00:37:59.877
Linda Hall: I'm scared of jinxing up.
00:37:59.877 --> 00:38:03.937
Rita Reimers: We need to build the sanctuary before we can have 143 cats, okay?
00:38:03.937 --> 00:38:07.077
Rita Reimers: Any benefactors out there looking for land in a building?
00:38:07.077 --> 00:38:09.817
Linda Hall: Before we get to our 143, we need help.
00:38:09.817 --> 00:38:21.877
Steve Dale: So for all of your 197 cats, no matter what it is, medically or behaviorally, we likely at this organization have funded that.
00:38:21.877 --> 00:38:23.997
Steve Dale: And to learn more, everycat.org.
00:38:25.137 --> 00:38:28.737
Steve Dale: And you could sign up for a newsletter, which is absolutely free.
00:38:28.737 --> 00:38:33.877
Steve Dale: And by the way, I think I can learn about cat health or dog health.
00:38:33.877 --> 00:38:36.537
Steve Dale: My website is stevedale.tv.
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Steve Dale: And I also have a newsletter that folks can sign up for.
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Linda Hall: Yeah, awesome.
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Rita Reimers: We don't hate dogs.
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Rita Reimers: We love dogs.
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Rita Reimers: I grew up with a dog.
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Rita Reimers: Linda's about to add a dog to the 12 cat household.
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Linda Hall: My husband needs a dog.
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Rita Reimers: Does that count as a dog?
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Rita Reimers: I don't know.
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Linda Hall: According to my husband, it does not.
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Linda Hall: And yes, he's decided he needs a dog.
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Linda Hall: And I'm a little scared, but it's got to be a very special dog.
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Linda Hall: This might take a minute, okay?
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Linda Hall: We're not rushing this, but yes.
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Linda Hall: And we do, we love all animals, but I will tell you, and I wanted to point this out because I saw this on Every Cat Health Foundation's website, the only nonprofit foundation focused solely on feline health.
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Linda Hall: focusing solely on something does not mean ignoring the rest or not wanting, not caring about the rest, right?
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Linda Hall: I have a GP who I love, but if I have cancer, I want an oncologist.
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Linda Hall: And for too long, cats have been the redheaded step-child of the species.
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Rita Reimers: Hey, you took my scene.
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Linda Hall: I did.
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Linda Hall: So much on dog.
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Linda Hall: Maybe we'll add cat and go dog and cat, but I have to say personal, personally, I really appreciate Every Cat Health Foundation for putting this in for our cats and focusing on helping our cats.
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Rita Reimers: But you know what we should do for every time you guys hear us say purr, take a shot.
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Linda Hall: There you go.
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Linda Hall: Donate a dollar to FIP.
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Linda Hall: Every time we say purr, you donate a dollar to FIP.
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Rita Reimers: I like that better.
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Linda Hall: FIP.
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Linda Hall: Now I got FIV in the head.
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Rita Reimers: We would love to have you back because I would love to dive more into the feline leukemia because that's still one of those diseases that people think you have to put your cat down.
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Rita Reimers: And maybe that's not true anymore.
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Rita Reimers: I don't know.
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Steve Dale: Do you know, it's another one of my teases, do you know there's a cat food that's for people?
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Rita Reimers: A cat food that's for people?
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Rita Reimers: Tell me about that.
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Rita Reimers: To help people.
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Rita Reimers: This is gonna be a little extra on the video, I think.
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Linda Hall: Right, yeah, this is the after party.
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Steve Dale: Well, we could save it for next time.
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Linda Hall: Okay.
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Rita Reimers: Okay, you must schedule another.
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Linda Hall: Yes.
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Steve Dale: Send me a link.
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Steve Dale: I'm more than happy.
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Rita Reimers: Thank you.
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Steve Dale: Yes, sir.
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Rita Reimers: Write that down so we remember what we wanna talk about.
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Rita Reimers: I just did it.
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Linda Hall: And cat food for people.
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Linda Hall: I'm not letting this go.
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Linda Hall: No, I am.
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Rita Reimers: I'm so grateful for everything you do for all kinds of pets, but especially for our feline friends.
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Rita Reimers: Is there any last words of wisdom you would like to leave our audience with?
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Steve Dale: Oh no, it's just the pleasure to be with you guys again.
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Steve Dale: It's been a long time.
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Steve Dale: And also check out my website, sign up for my newsletter, check out everycat.org and sign up for that newsletter.
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Steve Dale: Both newsletters are, and this is my favorite word, my final word for today, free.
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Linda Hall: We love free.
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Rita Reimers: We recommend free things to our clients all the time.
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Rita Reimers: We're like, it's free.
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Linda Hall: It's free.
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Linda Hall: It happens.
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Rita Reimers: Linda, my ride or die, my BFF.
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Rita Reimers: I wouldn't know if it wasn't for Richard Simmons.
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Rita Reimers: Those of you know, we're mourning the loss of our special friend and my personal mentor, Richard Simmons.
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Rita Reimers: I'm going to cry it out.
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Rita Reimers: Oh, we just want to thank him for everything he gave us.
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Rita Reimers: We wouldn't be here, here on the air.
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Rita Reimers: We wouldn't have Cat Behavior Alliance, and we wouldn't be friends if it wasn't for Richard.
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Rita Reimers: So we thank Richard.
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Rita Reimers: And of course, Mark, thank you so much for giving us this spot on Pet Life Radio.
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Rita Reimers: For that, we are forever grateful.
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Rita Reimers: And don't forget, every single day is what, Linda?
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Rita Reimers: We'll see you next time.
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