Cats Cats Cats!
Deb Wolfe asks Dr. Jory Bocknek your pet questions; You can send questions and problems to deb@petliferadio.com in print or voice clip. Why does my cat vomit, scratch, purr, and is a sneezing cat or reverse sneezing dog a problem? Deborah asks Dr Jory which type of uncooperative pet he fears most in the exam room; dog or cat? How can you make a fearful pet more relaxed. Questions your Vet wishes you would ask and when is it best to neuter/spay cats and dogs and why. See Deb Wolfe -Pet Expert on YouTube for cat & dog training demos or check out deb Wolfe-pet expert to see the 8 rescue pups and their mama.
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BIO:
Dr. Bocknek studied Marine Biology in Santa Cruz California for 3 years before coming to Guelph where he graduated from the Veterinary College in 1993.
Dr. Bocknek has spent the last 23 years practicing small animal medicine, with a special focus in ophthalmology, ultrasound, dermatology and animal behavior. He also enjoys teaching children of all ages about animal care and veterinary medicine. He is available for class or group talks as well as career day lectures. As a child growing up with dyslexia and dysgraphia, Dr. Bocknek has a unique insight into the challenges faced by kids with special needs.
When he is not in the clinic you can find him snowboarding with the kids, torturing the family with his saxophone or running with his wife Amber.
Transcript:
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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.
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Announcer: Let's talk pets.
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Deborah Wolfe: Hello, you're listening to Animal Party on Pet Life Radio, and I have a very special guest today.
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Deborah Wolfe: Coming back to the party is Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory Bocknek from, well, from nearby Toronto.
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Deborah Wolfe: Welcome to the show, Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: You make me feel very special, glad to be back.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, you are special.
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Deborah Wolfe: I mean, you're not one of my one-off, one-hit wonders, where I get off the show and I think, thank God that's over.
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Deborah Wolfe: No, no, I booked you before we're done so that I can have you back.
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Deborah Wolfe: You're a terrific guest and actually, my listeners really like you and they've sent a couple of questions in for you.
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't know if you're okay answering a couple of questions right at the start of the show.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: By the way, happy to do it.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: Why does my cat vomit so often?
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Deborah Wolfe: An oldie but a goodie, Darja Jory.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: An oldie but a goodie and it all boils down to starting at the very beginning.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: The question is, what's making the cat vomit?
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Deborah Wolfe: There's a photograph included of the vomit and to me, it's a hairball.
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Deborah Wolfe: I'm sorry, I can't share that photo with you.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's exquisitely lovely, but it's a hairball.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It could be.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: For cats who get hairballs, there are remedies we can do for that, but sometimes cats who vomit hairballs, once they vomit it up, I happen to have one of these cats, it sets a cycle of vomiting up where they just keep on doing it until you turn it off because they've got an underlying inflammatory problem with their stomach.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And sometimes it's food related and sometimes it's just autoimmune.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But the hairball is like the straw that sets the camel's back breaking, or in this particular case, the cat vomiting.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And some of these poor little kitties will then vomit for days and give themselves some significant issues if we don't turn it off.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So my little ragdoll foundling kitty is one of those cats who gets hairballs.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And I have to give him a little bit of an injection to cool off the vomiting.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Otherwise, he'll vomit for the rest of the week.
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Deborah Wolfe: Is this sometimes an OCD type thing, like a habit?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Not so much OCD, though.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Cats don't really, cats can get, well, let me rephrase it.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Maybe I take that back.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Cats who overgroom because of behavioral reasons can do this to themselves.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Yes, for sure.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But cats vomit because of OCD.
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Deborah Wolfe: Right.
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Deborah Wolfe: So the more you groom a cat like this, the better it's going to be, right?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Sure, because they're getting rid of all that loose hair and they're not ingesting it, 100%.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: So that's one thing they can do preventatively.
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Deborah Wolfe: Should they maybe see their vet?
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Deborah Wolfe: Like, how do you even report?
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Deborah Wolfe: I mean, do you bring in the vomit?
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Deborah Wolfe: Like, what do you do when you bring in your cat like this to the vet?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So one of the things you can do is you come in because you say, this is what my cat vomits up.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But yeah, bringing in that hairball points us in a direction.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then we often have some options.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: For instance, we can try some routine preventative things.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Regular grooming is one.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Starting them on one of those mineral oil based pastes, and there's a variety of flavors for them.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And some cats get it once a week, and some cats can need it three times a day, for instance.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: The goal being that it keeps everything moving in the right direction and they poop it out instead of barfing it out.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: All right.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, I have more questions for you.
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Deborah Wolfe: Watery eyes.
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Deborah Wolfe: Now, this is interesting because they're bringing out another point.
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Deborah Wolfe: She's saying, my cat's always had watery eyes.
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Deborah Wolfe: Is it a problem?
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Deborah Wolfe: And I like the always, because I know that we want to be alert to changes, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: Like a cat who all of a sudden is drinking water excessively might be diabetic or there could be something else going on.
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Deborah Wolfe: But if it's always had watery eyes and it's been to the vet and, you know, had previous exams and blood work and nothing's been found wrong, should she be worrying about it still and why would a cat have watery eyes?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Well, it depends.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I mean, depending on her type of cat, one of the problems some of the flat nosed cats have is their tear ducts don't work very well.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So tear ducts are the drains of the eye and the primary one are the lower lid drains.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And if these drain from the eyelid margin through the sinus or tracking along it, and they end up dumping the excess tears into the nose, that's why dogs and cats have wet noses, because that's where their tear ducts drain into.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Well, these flat nosed, flat faced cats, their tear ducts are quite torturous and they don't drain well.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so if the drain flows slowly, then the pool of the tears can overwhelm the drain and it can spill over the edge of the pool, the eyelids.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So some cats, if they fall into that category, can do it because they have a functional obstruction of their tear ducts.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: This can sometimes be opened up by flushing them.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Or sometimes, again, you ask if it's a problem, if this is the issue and it's just a little bit of wetness on their face, it's more cosmetic than problematic and just keeping their face clean may be the only issue.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But with a lot of cats, what I want to make sure is they're not tearing because of irritation.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And most cats who have ironically irritated eyes have a virus and it's either herpes, and herpes is the number one culprit here.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so low level of herpes infection could present as runny eyes as well.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So it really depends on what the driving force is, and that's something you have to pop them into your clinic to have a look at.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: So when you see herpes, all of a sudden, you know, yeah, is that something people should, they can't get it from touching their cat's tears, right?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: You're not going to get cat herpes, no, from touching your cats.
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Deborah Wolfe: Thank you for clarifying.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Herpes is like where the number one virus is, yeah, number one virus is, I'm going to say it could also be chlamydia, but again, not something you're going to get from your cat.
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Deborah Wolfe: You're not going to get that from your cat either.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: Because we got to be clear when you throw these scary words around.
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Deborah Wolfe: All right, we're going to go to break and come back.
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Deborah Wolfe: And I'm going to ask Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory, what is worse when he comes into an exam room and he doesn't know the animal and the animal's not very chill, which is worse, facing a cat or a dog that doesn't want to be examined?
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, stay tuned, everybody, on Animal Party, Pet Life Radio.
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Deborah Wolfe: This is Deborah Wolfe, host of Animal Party on Pet Life Radio.
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Deborah Wolfe: You know the expression, cats have nine lives?
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, what if you can give them one more?
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Deborah Wolfe: The Give Them 10 Movement is on a mission to help give cats an extra life.
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Deborah Wolfe: How?
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Deborah Wolfe: With spay and neuter.
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Deborah Wolfe: Spaying or neutering your cat helps them live a longer, healthier life.
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Deborah Wolfe: And it helps control free roaming cat populations too.
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Announcer: Let's talk pets on petliferadio.com.
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Deborah Wolfe: Hello, we're back on Animal Party, Pet Life Radio with Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory, Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory Bocknek.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory, the exam room is waiting for you.
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Deborah Wolfe: The door is closed, and you've been told there's a difficult pet inside.
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Deborah Wolfe: What do you hope it's gonna be?
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Deborah Wolfe: Is it gonna be a pit bull?
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Deborah Wolfe: Is it gonna be, no, they're probably easy.
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Deborah Wolfe: Who's the worst case for you behind that door?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: If I have to take a really angry dog or a really angry cat, give me the dog.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Cats are way scarier than dogs.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, to set the record straight, you don't worry about pit bulls, do you?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I've never been bit by a pity, but I've been bit by a lot of Cocker Spaniels.
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Deborah Wolfe: Right.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yes.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yes.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: Part of that's because people let little dogs get away with a lot, I think.
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Deborah Wolfe: But I don't know, what's it like at the clinic?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Well, I mean, the little dogs could be, some of these little dogs that are growly, barky little things, I tend to call them Fendi purse dogs because people turn them into Fendi purses.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: their feet never touch the ground.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I've never been bit by a kitty, I've never been bit by a shepherd, but Minpin, Jack Russell, Yorkies, Chihuahuas, yes.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: What about the cats?
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Deborah Wolfe: Did you need stitches?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: You can't, cat bites are nasty.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I've been bit a few times by kitties.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: You got to leave those open.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: You always need to go in a box to carry some nasty bugs in their mouths.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But with cats too, as long as you respect them and go slowly, and there are things we can do.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They're coming in and they're usually angry because they're afraid.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So if we can do things for most of our pets, whether they're dogs or cats, to allay their fears, the exams that could have been bad can actually become quite pleasant.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: For instance, just taking time and not rushing, whether it's a dog or a cat, and letting them come to you, as opposed to you jumping on them, can allay a lot of their concerns.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And with cats, we use a lot of pheromones in our exam rooms.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: These are little smells that the cats can smell that we can't, but they're calming.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And it sort of puts them into a nicer frame of mind.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: If you let them sit in the room and breathe in the pheromone for about five minutes, it ratchets them down a little bit.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then with our dogs and cats, we can also give them some medications.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They're not sedatives.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They're calming medications at home.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So they come in and they're not expecting arm for bear ready to run and fight for their lives.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They're kind of like, well, I'm a little nervous, but it's not so bad and Dr.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Vovnik's cool.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And he's going to give me treats now.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So you're taking your time.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And what I'll often do with some of the rescue dogs, if I see the blue healers and Australian shepherds usually fall in this category.
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Deborah Wolfe: Oh no, okay, well, they complain like pet pigs.
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Deborah Wolfe: They're complainers, I think.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They're complainers, but they're fast and they can be really sketchy when they're rescue dogs because they have no trust in anything.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They're super smart, super fast, super strong guarding, hurting dogs.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so if what I tell a lot of my clients when they come for their first, just an introductory visit is, I want you to come to the clinic a couple of times of the week randomly just to come in, get some treats and leave.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so all of a sudden the clinic goes from this scary place to the giver of Oreo cookies.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so the dogs start to look forward to coming and then they come in and get treats and get pets and leave.
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Deborah Wolfe: But now they've left their scent there too, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: They've left their own scent.
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Deborah Wolfe: So they go, I've been here before, it was okay.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Yeah, it's not new, it's not scary.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And the only time they come here, they're not getting poked and prodded.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Most of the time, they come, they're just getting cookies, getting pets and leaving.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And if you could kind of habituate them to that, a lot of the fearfulness goes away.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then you could just sort of habituate them to, you can start to get used to the scale.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So the scale is not scary.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Then come into the exam room and for some reason, they like all my nurses usually better than me, male or female.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And but once they get used to the staff, it's really quite easy.
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Deborah Wolfe: That's interesting because we had an email question.
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Deborah Wolfe: My dog seems to be sexist.
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Deborah Wolfe: No man has ever been mean to my dog, but for some reason, he only likes the ladies.
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Deborah Wolfe: Does that happen to you where the dog comes in and it's like, oh, I need my associate to look after this dog, the lady vet, because he's not looking at the man vet.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It's not that uncommon.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: You also see a lot in birds, but sometimes it's the difference between men and women in the way that we carry ourselves, the way we sound, the way we smell.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so some dogs who are either dominant or fearful respond differently to a male person coming in who's carrying themselves in a more dominant fashion.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so it puts them on edge.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Whereas a woman coming in carrying themselves a little bit differently, they're like, oh, well, you really are nicer than that mean Dr.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Bocknek.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I like you a lot more.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah, okay.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And birds are definitely, definitely different.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: birds definitely have a preference one or the other.
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Deborah Wolfe: And it's not necessarily always women, is it?
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Deborah Wolfe: Is it the preference for their opposite gender, the gender opposite what the bird is?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I'm not sure.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I would say I just, I really don't know.
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Deborah Wolfe: I think it might be.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It's very individual.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Very individual.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: So we're going to go to another question.
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Deborah Wolfe: This is about catnip and I find it interesting.
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Deborah Wolfe: I find when a cat gets catnip, it just kind of makes that cat, however they are normally, more extreme.
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Deborah Wolfe: So if the cat is normally a cuddler, it's more cuddly.
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Deborah Wolfe: If it's normally an athlete, it's going to run around more.
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Deborah Wolfe: If it's normally a little bit unpredictable, it's going to be unpredictable.
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Deborah Wolfe: But I'm not sure everyone finds out.
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Deborah Wolfe: What do you think?
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Deborah Wolfe: Does catnip change the personality of the cat?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I don't know that it changes the personality, but it chills them down.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It ratchets them down.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So I've got, we've recently adopted another street cat, and we have one cat, Richard Parker, who is a grumpy Gus, and anytime you try to bring anyone into the house, no matter how young it is, he's mean to them for at least a couple of weeks.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Always getting in their grill and growling and whatnot.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But introducing him to catnip, and he cares a lot less.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: He becomes way happier.
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Deborah Wolfe: Right.
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Deborah Wolfe: So is there anything dogs can have that's like catnip for cats?
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Deborah Wolfe: There isn't, is there?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Not really.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I haven't really found anything that works the same way.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: People have tried different medications.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: We can use different medications to relax or calm them, but nothing really works like catnip works on cats for dogs that I've been able to find.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: For instance, if I want to train cats to use a particular scratching post, putting catnip on it is a 99% guarantee to draw them to it.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Whereas there's really nothing like that.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I mean, for me, it's fried chicken and fudge makes me super happy.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: There really is nothing like that for a dog that works the same way as catnip.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah, I guess not.
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Deborah Wolfe: All right.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, that's interesting.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay, we have lots of questions.
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Deborah Wolfe: We're going to get back to the questions, going to take a break and come back to our questions from all the listeners who've been waiting for you to come back on the show, Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory.
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Deborah Wolfe: PetLifeRadio.com Hello, you're back on Animal Party PetLife Radio.
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Deborah Wolfe: And cats and dogs really are different.
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Deborah Wolfe: Like one of the things I use Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory to get two cats to like each other is I will get the scent of the one on the blanket or something and then put it in the other's area.
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Deborah Wolfe: I will get their face scent on my hands and then pet the other one.
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Deborah Wolfe: If you do that with a dog, it will just track the cat better.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's not gonna make it like the cat, it's gonna think you wanna find the cat.
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Deborah Wolfe: So some of these things don't necessarily work.
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Deborah Wolfe: They're just a matter of time between the two species and catnip's one of them.
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Deborah Wolfe: But I think your advice for getting a dog used to a clinic is similar to getting a cat used to a clinic.
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Deborah Wolfe: What about if someone has a, say a recently rescued pet that's nervous, what about calling up and asking to come in when it's quiet?
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Deborah Wolfe: Can they do something like that?
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Deborah Wolfe: Or a cat coming in when there's no dogs maybe?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Yeah, coming in when randomly at times, just to come in to hang out for a little while, get maybe get treats or if they're too nervous, come in, maybe just have the owner brush them a little bit and then leave.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Make it so that the place is no longer an aversive thing.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: What you really want to do is try to find something they really like.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So find any of these cat treats.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: There's like, some of these treats are like crack for cats.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: There's like these little gel packets that my staff are telling me about, but I'm actually going to try, because one of my cats is really fearful.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Trying to get meds into him is a nightmare.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So I want to habituate him to taking things from me in a positive way.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so with some of these cats that are nervous, what I'll do is I'll have the owners give them a medication to go gabapentin at home.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It's kind of calming and relax them.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It's like, I'll use it for cats who have to go on car rides, who hate the car.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And they scream all the way to the cottage, for instance, for two and a half hours.
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Deborah Wolfe: Isn't that something?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Well, giving them gabapentin about an hour and a half, kind of just ratchets them down a bit.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So yeah, they get a little nervous, but it's not so bad.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I don't really care.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then they get to the cottage, you're like, oh, well, that wasn't so bad.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And you do that a few times and then maybe you need half the amount.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then you do that a few times and then maybe you don't need any, because it's not so terrible.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So you're basically taking an animal who gets into too much of a state of anxiety where they can't learn.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then you get them on some medication that drops that anxiety so they can learn.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then you start to withdraw the medication, because they no longer need it, because they've learned that it's not as bad as they thought it was.
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Deborah Wolfe: Okay.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, I want to dig into the overpopulation issue, because in my career with dogs...
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Don't even get me started right now.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: I'm not sure what you're like on the West Coast, but shelters are so full, they don't even have room anymore.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They've got foster people all over the place.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, yes, I had a boy and girl dog dropped off here, supposed to stay here for a few days at my kennel.
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Deborah Wolfe: And the owner never came back to get them.
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Deborah Wolfe: And then she delivered eight puppies.
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Deborah Wolfe: And now I have, as you mentioned it, just coincidentally, blue healer border collie crosses.
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Deborah Wolfe: Oh yes, ideal for every apartment.
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Deborah Wolfe: So I got eight of those puppies and the parents to find homes for.
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Deborah Wolfe: That was June 25th.
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Deborah Wolfe: So they're ready for homes now.
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Deborah Wolfe: If anybody wants to look at them, go to Camp Good Dodd on Facebook and you can look at them.
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Deborah Wolfe: And if you want to see-
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: The plug for you is we're going to find a better blue healer, Border Collie, across the coming out of your place.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, that's true.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They'll be well socialized.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They'll be well trained.
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Deborah Wolfe: Yeah, they've already been with kids lots and all kinds of, yeah, they've been socialized and trained and all of that.
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Deborah Wolfe: But I was not going to breed any dogs ever again.
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Deborah Wolfe: And now I'm trying to find homes for what is not my usual market.
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Deborah Wolfe: But they're beautiful.
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Deborah Wolfe: They're black and white and brown and smart and clever.
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Deborah Wolfe: But I did want to ask you, because since I've been doing this career, it used to be people were eager to get their dogs spayed or neutered.
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Deborah Wolfe: They would ask me, you know, when's the earliest I can neuter him?
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Deborah Wolfe: When can I spay her?
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't want her to have a heat.
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't want the mess.
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't want the trouble.
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't want the aggression, they would say.
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Deborah Wolfe: And with kittens and cats too, people that the shelters used to spay them as infants almost, you know, with the first vaccine.
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Deborah Wolfe: And now I'm finding people think they should wait.
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Deborah Wolfe: They think their dog should have a heat or even a litter.
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Deborah Wolfe: They think their cat should develop.
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Deborah Wolfe: And I don't think they realize that their kitten and puppy are actually sexually mature earlier than they think.
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Deborah Wolfe: So what do you tell people to try and deal with this?
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Deborah Wolfe: When is the ideal time?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So if we talk about females first, as much as we can tell the ideal time, if you're trying to prevent something, for instance, like breast cancer, if we're trying to prevent pregnancy, if we're trying to prevent uterine infections, and the best time is before their first heat.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: There's been this online push to let them remain intact.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It's not based on anything scientific, it's all based on emotion.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: There's a push, for instance, to have ovaries sparing space surgeries, tubal ligations.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: What people don't realize is when you do that, you don't reduce the breast cancers.
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Deborah Wolfe: We get to answer, of the ovaries, oh no.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Yes, you don't reduce any of the behavioral issues, you don't reduce the heats, so it makes no sense.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Well, one of the big problems I'm finding now is COVID did a few things, well, more than a few, but for you and me, one of the things that COVID did was people had nothing to do, so they're desperate for pets.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So everyone and their sibling became breeders, well, now, COVID is over, people aren't buying, and so we're starting to see is puppies and kittens are getting left on the highway.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: My most recent acquisition is a kitten who was discovered sitting on the shoulder of the highway, just sitting there, nails trimmed, perfectly groomed, little munchkin cat that someone clearly hadn't sold.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So fortunately, one of my clients saw it, brought it to the clinic on my anniversary.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Before I know it, they had already messaged my wife and said, Oh, guess what, your anniversary present just arrived.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But we're seeing tons of these unfortunate, unwanted puppies and kittens that nobody wants.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So they're doing very unpleasant and horrible things, and they all should be spayed.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Dogs should be spayed ideally before, all these animals should be spayed before their first heat, in my opinion.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Large and giant breed males, there is some evidence to show that it might be beneficial to neuter them later in life.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: But it also comes with some questions because it also depends on temperament.
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Deborah Wolfe: Oh yeah, it's beneficial for me.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's beneficial for dog trainers because if you neuter your dog late in life, you're going to need me and I get to make some money.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And as you know, once a male dog starts marking, they're never going to stop.
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Deborah Wolfe: Right.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's an ongoing commitment.
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Deborah Wolfe: We're going to have a relationship.
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Deborah Wolfe: You're going to be paying me for the rest of that dog's career.
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Deborah Wolfe: We'll solve one problem and a new one will pop up.
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Deborah Wolfe: Oh, I'll love it, but you won't love it.
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Deborah Wolfe: So how about just new to your dog and never have him make a fight, cause a fight, be the victim of a fight, never have him in a fight ever.
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Deborah Wolfe: Wouldn't that be nice because the fight bills, the bills that you're placed for a fight are extreme, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: He gets ripped up and stitches and I don't know.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: This has been the summer of animal fights.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It's been the summer of male dogs going after porcupines, male dogs escaping, going for a run to find the female that's in heat because we have so many more coyotes.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: The coyotes draw the dogs out as well.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: We have far too many animals.
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Deborah Wolfe: And then they kill your dog.
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Deborah Wolfe: You may think your dog can handle it.
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Deborah Wolfe: You may think, well, my dog's a big malamute, he can handle it.
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Deborah Wolfe: He can't handle a pack of coyotes descending on him when he falls for the trick of the female in heat that's sent to draw him out.
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Deborah Wolfe: I mean, this is really, this really is happening.
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Deborah Wolfe: We're not making this up.
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Deborah Wolfe: So, okay, so spay your females before their first heat, which in a cat can be four months old, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: Or a suitor?
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Deborah Wolfe: How old is a kitten when it first has its first heat?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It can be, usually if we can get them, depending on the time of year, it's usually, you're usually safe if they get it done before seven, eight months.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Having said that, in the shelter community, we will spay them at six to eight weeks.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: There's nothing in the literature to show that early spaying causes problems or early neutering in cats causes problems.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: We used to think that in neutering boys earlier, the urethral development wouldn't be as normal, and so it could predispose them to bladder infections.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: We now know that is not true.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And this is looking retrospectively over decades worth of data and thousands and thousands of studies and thousands of thousands of animals.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And so the fact that A, there is no risk and B, that these animals aren't getting released back into the community to procreate.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And then you have all these poor little kittens that come into the shelters infected and unwanted and that are only getting euthanized.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: It's heartbreaking.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: So neuter them, spay them, adopt them, yes, but then neuter and spay them so that they're not adding to the problem that we're trying to solve.
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Deborah Wolfe: In all the years I've been here working the commercial cattle, 50 dogs or more in the career prior to that, I don't think I've ever seen a male dog with a bladder infection.
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Deborah Wolfe: I don't think so.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's not that common, is it?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: We do see it, but what I see a lot more frequency is unneutered males with prostate problems.
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Deborah Wolfe: Well, and you know what we didn't mention, which to me is the biggest risk, besides the fighting, because intact male cats and intact male dogs fight.
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Deborah Wolfe: That's the first thing.
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Deborah Wolfe: But the next big thing, or maybe bigger, is cars, right?
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Deborah Wolfe: They're often wandering, looking for love, and they don't care that there's a car.
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Deborah Wolfe: They're too busy locked on a scent.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's like when you see a fetchaholic dog fetching the ball with all his adrenaline, his eyes, pupils are dilated.
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Deborah Wolfe: You can't think of anything else.
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Deborah Wolfe: It's like that.
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Deborah Wolfe: He's not going to see the car or hear the car.
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Deborah Wolfe: So you're not doing your animal a good thing if you wait, right?
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: No, no, absolutely not.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And going back to your history, your background, that's why reliable recall is like the most, the number one thing you want to teach your dog, because it's the only thing that's going to save their life when they're hightailing it towards the street.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: At least you'll scream, they'll pause, and someone may hear your yelling as opposed to untrained dogs.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: They haven't taken to the class, they haven't done any real work on these puppies, they're now eight months old, they're unneeded and they take off.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: And now the road is beckoning and the car is coming.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Spending that time, people getting their dogs into puppy class, get them in as young as you can, start the training early.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Before you have problems, the energy you invest in the first six months of their life pays dividends for the next 12 years.
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Dr. Jory Bocknek: Make your life easier, get a good trainer, someone who has been doing this for a while and put the work in, you will be so much happier and your dog will be happier.
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Deborah Wolfe: Start as you mean to go on, teach your dog what it needs to know is normal.
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Deborah Wolfe: Don't stay home all summer and then go back to work and expect it to be relaxed when you go back to work.
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Deborah Wolfe: If you've been there all summer, you got to set things up to work.
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Deborah Wolfe: So we did talk about catnip a little bit.
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Deborah Wolfe: So I just want to say to people, if you feel like going to YouTube and seeing me train a cat to come and shake paw for a little bit of catnip, and it didn't take long, it's a few minutes long video, not even.
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Deborah Wolfe: I think it's in YouTube shorts on Deb Wolfe-
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Deborah Wolfe: Pet Expert.
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Deborah Wolfe: And there's another one I'm going to post today.
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Deborah Wolfe: I wasn't going to post it because it's not the best video.
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Deborah Wolfe: You could sort of see a bit of a lawn chair in the way.
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Deborah Wolfe: But it was after I did a show recently where we talked about grooming cats and how important it is to get them used to being touched in all their uncomfortable places.
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Deborah Wolfe: And then I talked about how you could just seize the moment and teach cats to jump over a post or come when called.
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Deborah Wolfe: Anyway, I'm demonstrating all that on YouTube.
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Deborah Wolfe: So if you want to see how to get a cat to be a long haired cat to get used to being brushed, you can see that on YouTube, Deb Wolfe-
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Deborah Wolfe: Pet Expert.
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Deborah Wolfe: Or if you want to see a cat coming, jumping, jumping over a post, you know, fancy stuff that you like to think is out of reach, but it's not.
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Deborah Wolfe: Cats are just as smart as dogs and they can learn just as much.
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Deborah Wolfe: All right, everybody, we're going to say goodbye to Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory for now.
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Deborah Wolfe: But I know he's coming back real soon for another show and I still have lots of questions.
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Deborah Wolfe: If you have more questions for Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory, please send them to Deb at petliferadio.com and I will get them.
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Deborah Wolfe: All right, everybody, for me, Dr.
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Deborah Wolfe: Jory and Pet Life Radio, be good to your animals.
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