Patricia Kara - Dream On... Now Deliver
Joining me for this episode is actress, model, spokesperson, television personality, animal lover and author, Patricia Kara. Patricia is the only cast member to appear on all three versions of the hit television show, Deal or No Deal (model case #9). Patricia and I have a fun, lively and inspirational chat about her new book, Dream On…Now Deliver (#1 on Amazon’s Bestselling New Releases one day after the launch). Dream On…Now Deliver is a straightforward and no-nonsense guide to achieving success in the entertainment industry.
We chat about the highs and lows of trying to make it in the entertainment industry, taking small jobs, staying versatile and always networking with good people. Through the book and her words, Patricia will become your loudest cheerleader…as you will surely become hers (I know I have)! A fantastic book for learning about the entertainment industry, as well as being very applicable to achieving success in life…no matter what your passion and goals. Have a listen, learn, and become an even bigger fan of Patricia Kara and her work. Enjoy!
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BIO:
Patricia Kara has been working in the entertainment business for over thirty years as an actress, model, spokesperson, and television personality. She returned to primetime television joining Howie Mandel as one of the stars of the new "Deal or No Deal" on CNBC. Patricia and Howie are the only cast members to appear on all three versions of the hit show. Including NBC’s original Deal or No Deal (Primetime and Daytime editions), she appeared in America’s Got Talent, Extra, Access Hollywood, Fox Movie Channel, and People Magazine’s “100 Most Beautiful People”. Patricia has been a guest host on HSN, she released a workout video entitled “Fast Fitness”, was featured in the Trace Adkins’ music video “Marry for Money”, and launched “Dish with Trish”, an online food and culture production. She has worked with and represented companies like TimeLife, AT&T, Unilever, Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, Disney, Princess Cruise Lines, and Toyota. Including Patricia’s own instructional series “Secrets to a Successful You” and the newly released “Dream on Now Deliver”, she mentors young models and actresses, helping to educate them on the entertainment industry, and setting the stage for the future of the business. One day after the launch, it reached #1 on Amazon’s Bestselling New Releases.
Transcript:
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Tim Link: This is your host, Tim Link, and I'm so glad you're joining us today.
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Tim Link: I'm super duper excited about the show.
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Tim Link: I always say that, I know.
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Tim Link: I am always excited about the show, but this is one of my favorites.
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Tim Link: One of my favorite people, so versatile, so talented, and now the author of the new book, Dream On...
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Tim Link: Now Deliver, the no-nonsense guide to achieving success in the entertainment industry.
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Tim Link: Of course, we're talking about Patricia Kara.
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Tim Link: And you know Patricia, you've seen her out there.
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Tim Link: She has been working in the entertainment industry for 30 years.
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Tim Link: She says, she must have been very, very young when that happened.
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Tim Link: But 30 years in the industry as an actress, model, spokesperson, television personality.
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Tim Link: She's an author.
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Tim Link: She is an animal lover, an advocate.
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Tim Link: She does it all.
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Tim Link: And so we're going to talk to Patricia a little bit about the industry.
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Tim Link: Talk to her about her latest book, Dream On...
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Tim Link: Now Deliver.
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Tim Link: And get some insights and tips for anybody who's wanting to know more about the entertainment industry and how to get involved in the do's and the don'ts from one of the best out there.
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Tim Link: And then we'll pick her brain a little bit about writing.
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Tim Link: What was it like to write the book and how did that go?
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Tim Link: And I'm sure she done and dusted it in about two days, so it worked out just fine.
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Tim Link: But we're gonna pick her brain about that as well.
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Tim Link: So it's gonna be a fun, fun, exciting show.
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Tim Link: Welcome back to Animal Writes on Pet Life Radio. Joining me now is entertainment expert, she's an actress, model, spokesperson, and now the author of the new book, Dream On...
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Tim Link: Now Deliver, the No-Nonsense Guide to Achieving Success in the entertainment industry, Patricia Kara.
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Tim Link: Welcome to the show.
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Patricia Kara: Thank you for having me.
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Tim Link: Oh, we're excited.
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Tim Link: I mean, I've been waiting and waiting and waiting.
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Tim Link: I was tickled.
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Tim Link: I was happy when you said you'd come on the show.
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Tim Link: So I was excited about that.
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Tim Link: And of course, I'm excited about the book, too, and the message in this Deliver and everything.
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Patricia Kara: It is a book that I wish I had when I started out in the business when I was 15, 16 years old.
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Patricia Kara: I started out in Chicago, didn't know anybody in the business, didn't know anything.
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Patricia Kara: I pulled out the yellow pages and that was my start of trying to figure it out.
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Patricia Kara: So I know how tough it was for me.
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Patricia Kara: I'm hoping this book will help the newbies coming into the entertainment industry and helping them navigate and figuring out how to get an agent, how to audition and for them to actually see if this is right for them.
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Patricia Kara: It's not for everybody.
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Patricia Kara: Once you start learning the ins and outs, not everybody is destined to be in the entertainment industry.
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Tim Link: And I believe that my thought pattern on it also is you have an idea of what you want to do and even if you're successful, it may not turn out to be the thing that you end up doing.
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Patricia Kara: Absolutely.
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Patricia Kara: I mean, I started out with modeling and I learned so much along the way that then I started getting into TV hosting and acting and then I ended up pitching shows and then I ended up managing people all while still doing everything else.
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Patricia Kara: But I started learning about all these other avenues within the entertainment industry that I had no idea about.
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Patricia Kara: So it's really cool to start figuring out like what I really wanted to do and what else I could do.
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Patricia Kara: So there's a lot out there.
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Patricia Kara: It's just a matter of figuring it out along the way.
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Tim Link: Absolutely.
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Tim Link: And I would imagine that in the early days, especially when you're trying to get started, part of it's you're wanting to try different things, but also you're just trying to live.
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Tim Link: There's more to life than ramen noodles.
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Tim Link: If they had ramen noodles back in the Yellow Pages days, I don't know.
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Patricia Kara: I think they did actually.
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Patricia Kara: They did.
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Patricia Kara: Yes.
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Patricia Kara: I remember I had them back then.
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Tim Link: There you go.
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Tim Link: Well, they never expire.
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Tim Link: So it works out all right.
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Tim Link: But when you're taking these opportunities, how do you decide, you know, is it a matter of I want to stick to a path and a goal that I want to accomplish, say I want to be an actor, or is it more of I'm going to take opportunities as they come up to get a little sample and a little flavor of things or maybe have to take these opportunities?
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Tim Link: How do you go about sorting through that?
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Tim Link: And then is there a benefit to having a broad scope on everything that you can do?
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Patricia Kara: I think for me, I loved knowing and learning all the different things and knowing there were other possibilities.
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Patricia Kara: I just wanted to be in the entertainment industry, didn't know necessarily what that meant.
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Patricia Kara: I knew I would see girls, you know, in magazines like Kristy Turlington and Cathy Ireland.
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Patricia Kara: But the more I learned, the more I wanted to immerse myself even more.
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Patricia Kara: And I remember people telling me you can only do one thing.
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Patricia Kara: They're like, if you're going to be a model, be a model.
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Patricia Kara: If you're going to be an actor, be an actor or whatever it is.
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Patricia Kara: But I was like, well, why do I have to choose one?
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Patricia Kara: Why can't I do it all?
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Patricia Kara: To me, it's all entertainment based and there's no reason why you can't do it all.
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Patricia Kara: Now I think it's more acceptable.
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Patricia Kara: Now you see people like Jennifer Lopez, Reese Witherspoon.
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Patricia Kara: They do more than just acting.
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Patricia Kara: They're business women.
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Patricia Kara: And that's what I talk about in the book.
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Patricia Kara: It's a business.
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Patricia Kara: A lot of people think it's glitz and glamour.
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Patricia Kara: And there's part of that along the way.
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Patricia Kara: But it is a business.
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Patricia Kara: And if you want longevity in the business, you have to treat it like a business.
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Patricia Kara: So I talk a lot about that.
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Tim Link: Yeah, I think that's really interesting in the entertainment industry.
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Tim Link: You hit it right on the head.
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Tim Link: And the fact that I look back over the years and it was more of, if you're a model, you're a model.
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Tim Link: Don't try to act.
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Tim Link: You know, if you're an actor, okay, then act.
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Tim Link: Don't try to cut an album.
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Tim Link: Album.
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Patricia Kara: Hey, we're talking yellow pages and albums.
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Tim Link: I love it.
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Tim Link: That's right.
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Tim Link: Throwback.
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Tim Link: That's right.
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Tim Link: And I think you did one of these.
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Tim Link: Didn't you do one of these Time Life?
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Patricia Kara: Pop goes to 70s music.
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Tim Link: There you go.
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Tim Link: I knew it.
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Tim Link: Come a full circle again.
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Tim Link: I love it.
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Tim Link: I love it.
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Tim Link: But yeah, I think that in the early days, you're right.
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Tim Link: It was you pretty much were whether it was right or wrong, got pigeonholed into a certain area and that's where they sort of wanted you to focus and that's all you could get out of.
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Tim Link: And then nowadays, it's sort of I look at it as like baseball.
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Tim Link: And you know, baseball used to be played one position.
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Tim Link: That's what you did.
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Tim Link: Now, you know, the more you make more money by playing, being a utility player, playing all over the place.
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Tim Link: And I think you were one of those, the leading edge on doing that because, you know, when I look through, I've got my little cheat sheet here, you know, you've done the Deal or No Deal, you know, case number, model number nine.
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Tim Link: Yeah.
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Tim Link: And then you've got Access Hollywood.
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Tim Link: You've done the movie thing, the Donny Osmond thing.
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Tim Link: We talked about the model and you've been spokesperson for, you know, numerous big companies AT&T, Unilever, Johnson & Johnson.
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Tim Link: And so I really look at you as someone who is very diverse, willing to try these things, do them all extremely well.
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Tim Link: And now with the book, Dream On...
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Tim Link: Now Deliver, you're sharing that knowledge with those who want to follow in your footsteps.
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Patricia Kara: And the book is something I, it was just a natural thing for me growing up as I was learning the business that I would always help somebody else because I knew how tough it was for me.
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Patricia Kara: So I wanted to make it a little easier for others around me.
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Patricia Kara: They were trying to figure their stuff out in the agency world and whatever it was in the entertainment.
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Patricia Kara: So as soon as I would have information, I would help somebody else.
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Patricia Kara: And then being on Deal or No Deal, I had more people coming to me asking those questions.
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Patricia Kara: And so over time, I started writing things and somebody planted the seed.
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Patricia Kara: You should write a book.
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Patricia Kara: I'm like, but I'm not a writer.
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Patricia Kara: I'm a talker.
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Patricia Kara: But eventually, the timing was right and it just it shifted.
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Patricia Kara: And I now is the time and I had all my notes.
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Patricia Kara: I'm like, I've got to get this out there.
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Patricia Kara: I've got to do it.
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Patricia Kara: It's been on my mind for so many years.
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Patricia Kara: It's time to stop talking about it and get that book out there and and help those who are trying to figure it out.
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Patricia Kara: It's not easy.
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Patricia Kara: So yeah.
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Tim Link: And when you talk about the you know, the book is in print.
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Tim Link: Now you said you're a talker, you know, you like talking to people and do things.
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Tim Link: Now you can do the audio book.
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Patricia Kara: So I'm about to.
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Tim Link: There you go.
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Tim Link: That's what I like.
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Tim Link: That's what I do.
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Tim Link: And then of course, the e-book says perfect way.
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Tim Link: Glanced out the book here.
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Tim Link: One of the things that caught, you know, as I was reading through it, one of the paragraphs of that you wrote in the script in the very early days, I'm going to read this real quick so it really hit me just the right way.
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Tim Link: It says everyone needs some supporting people in their lives to cheer loudly through the successes and the failures.
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Tim Link: So if you're still looking for those people, let this book, in my words, be among the loudest cheerleaders.
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Tim Link: Oh, I mean, it was perfect.
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Tim Link: It was perfect because, you know, a lot of times we read books about how to teach and learn from these things.
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Tim Link: And the books I write are full of stories, but they're also how to teach you how to how to work with your, you know, dogs and cats and animals, things like this.
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Tim Link: And I try to make it relatable and share the stories behind it.
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Tim Link: But for you to come out and not just put out a book that says, hey, learn from me, I've been doing this for 30 years, follow these steps and this may help you out.
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Tim Link: It was more than that.
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Tim Link: It was more of, hey, I'm writing this book because I want you to succeed and I'm going to be your biggest cheerleader.
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Tim Link: And that hit home with me because you know your industry better than I do.
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Tim Link: It's yes, there are a lot of networking, there's a lot of friends, a lot of things you develop, a good people in the industry, but it's also pretty cutthroat, you know, and not always people want to share their ideas or their successes or, or even their agents.
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Tim Link: I even learned that in the literary area, you know, trying to publish a book when looking for a new agent.
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Tim Link: I would reach out to people I thought were my friends and they're like, oh, you know, they don't want to share their age and information because the competition, even though we were still friends and colleagues and we did events, speaking events and stuff like this together.
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Tim Link: So I imagine your industry, it's kind of finding that balance of good people that you can count on that will always be in your corner and that always cheerlead you, but also trying to avoid those that perhaps are not in your cheerleading camp.
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Patricia Kara: And it really bums me out to hear that because I think there's enough for everybody.
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Patricia Kara: There's enough work for everybody.
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Patricia Kara: And for me, I have friends that were in competition, but I look at it like, I hope you get it.
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Patricia Kara: If I don't get it, I hope you get it.
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Patricia Kara: And it goes vice versa.
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Patricia Kara: And I'm always very open and willing to help my friends.
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Patricia Kara: Again, it's always been part of me and I don't understand people that don't have that in them.
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Patricia Kara: Again, I think there's something for everybody and it is hard.
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Patricia Kara: I think having a support system definitely helps and not everybody understands it.
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Patricia Kara: You might have people that support you, but don't understand the entertainment business because they may not be in it.
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Patricia Kara: So that's where you have to rely on yourself too.
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Patricia Kara: You have to really be that go-getter, have that determination if it's something you really want.
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Patricia Kara: You have to have those continuous conversations with yourself on motivating you to keep going because you're going to deal with rejection on a day-to-day basis.
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Patricia Kara: And sometimes not just once a day, many times a day, but you have to push through those moments and be your own cheerleader.
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Patricia Kara: And it's great if you have those people around you, but if you don't be your own cheerleader and just power through, and you figure it out.
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Tim Link: And they got you in their camp.
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Tim Link: So you always be their cheerleader.
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Patricia Kara: Always.
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Patricia Kara: Always.
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Patricia Kara: That's why we're doing this.
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Patricia Kara: That's why, you know, the book and having this conversation for me, I actually, right before I started talking to you, I met somebody who's doing a college project.
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Patricia Kara: It was a friend of a friend and we sat for an hour and had a Zoom call talking about the entertainment business and he really wants to be an actor.
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Patricia Kara: And I was so excited for him because he was telling me his hopes and dreams and what he's doing to make that happen.
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Patricia Kara: Just talking to him, I was so excited for him.
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Patricia Kara: I could see that he really, I could see him doing well.
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Patricia Kara: And I actually even said to him, I'm like, listen, I know some agencies in your area.
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Patricia Kara: If you're really serious about doing this and you're doing the work, I'll help you and give you some names and maybe it'll connect you and then you take it from there.
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Patricia Kara: It's up to you.
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Patricia Kara: I can give you so much, but then you've got to take it the rest of the way.
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Patricia Kara: But I love seeing those moments for people and having them succeed.
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Tim Link: Yeah, and your willingness to help push them in the right direction or make the right contacts.
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Tim Link: And one of the things you talked about in one of the chapters of the book is networking.
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Tim Link: Networking, networking, networking.
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Tim Link: And I've learned that through the years, no matter what your profession is, but definitely in the entertainment industry, it's getting to know as many people in different facets as you can, because you never know when you need that one person to help you with a situation or at least give you guidance or suggestions.
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Tim Link: Tell us a little bit about how networking came about, like in the early days, you know, when you're first starting and don't really know anybody compared to today.
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Tim Link: I mean, how do you develop that great network that people that are here for the moment that can help you out and then people that are there for the long haul that can support you and help you out?
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Patricia Kara: I have to say, I learned more about networking when I moved to LA because it is more common.
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Patricia Kara: When I lived in New York, it was a different animal.
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Patricia Kara: You had your agents, you go to your auditions.
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Patricia Kara: I didn't have to network as much, maybe network between, you know, when you're on the job and you're talking to the clients and you...
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Patricia Kara: network could mean just being kind, being professional and they will remember you for the next job.
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Patricia Kara: And you may get it, you may not, but it's having those conversations with people where people remember you and vice versa.
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Patricia Kara: There may be things that, you know, I could be helpful to you or you can be helpful to me.
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Patricia Kara: It goes both ways.
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Patricia Kara: But I've noticed as the years went on, I would see more and more in how networking helped and just getting to know different people in different genres.
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Patricia Kara: You never know how it's going to connect.
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Patricia Kara: And it may not show itself immediately.
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Patricia Kara: It may show itself down the line.
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Patricia Kara: It could be a month from now, it could be two years from now, it could be 10 years from now.
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Patricia Kara: But those moments count.
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Patricia Kara: I can't tell you how many times that has happened to me and it has helped me in my career, having those networking moments and building the relationships.
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Patricia Kara: That's what to me networking is, is building the relationships.
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Patricia Kara: Absolutely.
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Tim Link: Right.
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Tim Link: You know, I know it's difficult for some, you know, a lot of times, you know, from an outsider looking in, you think if someone's going to be a host of a show or an actor or something of this sort, then they've got to be an extrovert.
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Tim Link: You know, they've got to be out there and really willing to meet people.
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Tim Link: But in reality, I would say a majority of them are not.
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Tim Link: They are when they have to perform, but otherwise they're probably quiet, subdued and a little bit more of an introvert.
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Patricia Kara: I've seen that many a times, you'd be surprised.
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Patricia Kara: I definitely, I revert back and forth over time.
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Patricia Kara: Sometimes I'm more of an introvert, but mostly more of an extrovert.
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Patricia Kara: I think it's probably like the Greek in me, we're definitely extroverts and very lively and very talkative.
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Patricia Kara: So yeah, but you'd be surprised how many people in the entertainment business are introverts.
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Patricia Kara: And I think it's hard because once people get to a certain level, more people are coming at them.
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Patricia Kara: And I think they become even more introverted because they have so many people coming at them from all different directions.
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Patricia Kara: And then you're trying to figure out, okay, who are my real people?
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Patricia Kara: Who are the people that want me to do well, be well, and who are the ones that are just trying to ride my coattails?
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Patricia Kara: So it's that trying to navigate that part of it too, is such an interesting process.
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Patricia Kara: And yeah, you got to use your gut instincts on a lot of that stuff.
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Tim Link: Yeah, absolutely.
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Tim Link: So in the book, you also, one of the tidbits I picked up was the small jobs.
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Tim Link: There are no such things as small jobs, especially in those early days.
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Tim Link: And, and as I, yeah, and I mentioned early on, you know, it's more than just, you know, you want to eat a decent meal and not just ramen noodles, but it's more of the fact that really to get your foot in the door and to start figuring out what's out there and who will see me and what opportunities are there.
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Tim Link: I would imagine there's really is no such thing as a small job.
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Patricia Kara: Yeah, I think taking those opportunities helps you figure out what you want and what you don't want.
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Patricia Kara: And as you're working more and more and you're figuring those things out, as you get to a certain level, you can start saying, okay, this doesn't work for me or I don't necessarily like doing this, but I like this.
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Patricia Kara: So you start figuring it out.
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Patricia Kara: But I think if you want to be in the entertainment business, you have to be in the entertainment business and start working and learning and just figuring it out to get you to the next steps.
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Tim Link: Yeah, I think that's important.
00:17:31.133 --> 00:17:38.053
Tim Link: My niece is going to get tired of hearing me because I keep using these episodes as a platform to teach her.
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Patricia Kara: I get it, I get it.
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Patricia Kara: She'll thank you one day.
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Patricia Kara: She'll thank you.
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Tim Link: She will.
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Tim Link: She better remember me because Uncle Tim needs some help down the road.
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Tim Link: But yeah, she's a junior in college.
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Tim Link: She wants to be in the sports entertainment industry.
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Tim Link: She's thinking more of the agency being an agent out there.
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Tim Link: But it's still early days.
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Tim Link: And I keep driving home the fact that that's fantastic.
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Tim Link: Set a goal, set a path that you want to go on.
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Tim Link: But get in there, just get in there.
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Tim Link: Get with a network, a regional network, a local station, whatever gig, internship, whatever it is, get in there, get yourself known and get a flavor for everything that's out there.
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Tim Link: And you never know what's going to stick.
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Patricia Kara: Absolutely, because that's where she'll start networking and meeting different people and learning.
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Patricia Kara: And she might come across somebody who says, you know what, I really want to help you.
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Patricia Kara: What is it you want to do?
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Patricia Kara: Okay, I can connect you here or there, whether it's directly or indirectly.
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Patricia Kara: And that's what it's all about.
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Patricia Kara: Just getting yourself in those moments to be in front of those people at the right time.
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Patricia Kara: Timing is everything.
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Patricia Kara: And nothing is going to go from A to Z.
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Patricia Kara: You're not going to all of a sudden say, I want to be an actor and you're going to be this huge star.
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Patricia Kara: I think people have that sort of want that to happen or have that perception, but that's not how it works.
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Patricia Kara: You have to do the work.
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Patricia Kara: And it's a lot of hard work to get you to that level.
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Patricia Kara: You can't just go from A to Z.
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Patricia Kara: You have to do the work in between.
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Tim Link: That's it.
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Tim Link: You know what I was saying?
00:19:05.753 --> 00:19:08.613
Tim Link: That it took me 20 years to be an overnight cessation.
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Patricia Kara: Exactly.
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Tim Link: All right.
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Tim Link: We're going to take a quick commercial break.
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Tim Link: We'll come back and talk to Patricia Kara a little bit more about her book, Dream On...
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Tim Link: Now Deliver.
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Tim Link: And we'll talk to her a little bit about the writing and the messages she's trying to get across in the book.
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Tim Link: So everybody hang tight.
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Tim Link: Continue our conversation with Patricia Kara in her book, Dream On.
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Tim Link: Now Deliver, The No-Nonsense Guide to Achieving Success in the Entertainment Industry.
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Tim Link: Patricia, we've been talking about the ins and outs of the industry, no jobs are too small, networking, these types of things.
00:21:00.293 --> 00:21:04.933
Tim Link: When everybody kept hounding you to do the book, you finally decided it was time and you took all the notes.
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Tim Link: How did you go about deciding, okay, what really needs to go in here?
00:21:09.273 --> 00:21:10.853
Tim Link: How do I make it concise?
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Tim Link: How do I make it interesting?
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Tim Link: You do a fantastic job in here in the fact that they're, to the point, direct, helpful chapters without putting it in your face, but here's some things you can take under your belt.
00:21:22.133 --> 00:21:26.593
Tim Link: And then at the end, you put down the terminology, some of the things you're going to run into.
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Tim Link: Because originally, Mark was in the music industry, I did some early on stuff and realized I wasn't as talented as I should be.
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Tim Link: But I didn't know what a director was compared to a producer, compared to, you know, when do I need an agent, compared to when do I need a manager, when do I need a publicist, all these type of things.
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Tim Link: And so you do a great job with it in the book.
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Tim Link: How did you go about putting all these notes and all these things that you've had from all your experiences down into these very succinct chapters?
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Patricia Kara: It took a long time.
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Patricia Kara: We're talking over years, where I knew from somebody had planted the seed in 2000, like 25 years ago, but by 2008, I actually came up with the title of the book.
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Patricia Kara: It's the acronym of Deal or No Deal.
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Patricia Kara: And I was on set and I'm like, how can I incorporate the book and the title?
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Patricia Kara: And, you know, I thought my book was going to be out a lot quicker, but I realized writing is so hard, especially if you are not a writer and I don't, I really, it took a lot for me to find the discipline to really hone in on it.
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Patricia Kara: Like I really had to structure that time in.
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Patricia Kara: But I jotted notes over time and I kept thinking about that 15 year old girl.
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Patricia Kara: And what was it like really going back to basics and then following my career in my head along the way.
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Patricia Kara: And what is it I learned?
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Patricia Kara: What is it that the questions I had?
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Patricia Kara: And so I kept writing notes, kept writing notes, and it was all over the place.
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Patricia Kara: But eventually I started figuring out the outline and really matching up like this chapter should be this.
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Patricia Kara: And it didn't stay that way the whole time.
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Patricia Kara: I had to rework it.
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Patricia Kara: I had to rewrite things.
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Patricia Kara: So it was a continuous thing up until the last few years, literally the end of 2022, I finished writing the book, but realized you're not really done.
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Patricia Kara: And there's still more work to do.
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Patricia Kara: So there was more tweaking, more drafts, more...
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Patricia Kara: And I was caring for my mom at the time.
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Patricia Kara: And I think that is what really gave me strength to move forward even more while I was with her and sitting with her.
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Patricia Kara: I started thinking about just everything, life in general, time with her.
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Patricia Kara: And it really was the thing I needed to get me to go enough.
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Patricia Kara: It's time, it's time to get this book out there.
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Patricia Kara: And then that's where I ended up finding somebody to help me structure it because I'm not that good.
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Patricia Kara: Like I had my outline, I had my chapters, but then how do you structure it?
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Patricia Kara: So you find people, if you don't know how to do it, you find people to help you, to teach you, to learn those things.
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Patricia Kara: And so now I'm ready for my second book.
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Tim Link: And third.
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Tim Link: I love it.
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Tim Link: I love it.
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Patricia Kara: I'm already thinking about it.
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Tim Link: All right.
00:24:09.413 --> 00:24:10.673
Tim Link: Well, put me down for those dates.
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Tim Link: We'll have you back on the show for sure.
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Tim Link: We'll definitely do that.
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Tim Link: And I love the fact that, you know, you reached out to someone for help in a field, in an area that you weren't totally sure of and have never experienced before, just like you're doing in the book.
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Tim Link: Now they can reach out, they can read your knowledge, what you've gone through and how.
00:24:28.833 --> 00:24:35.993
Tim Link: And one of the things I was thinking was, I imagine in the grand scheme of things, things haven't changed that much in 30 years.
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Tim Link: Now what I mean by that, I mean that in a humorous way, because we know, yeah, yellow pages to the internet, to AI, to whatever.
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Tim Link: But no, but how you go about doing it, the sort of the basics, getting down to the bare basics of getting started, where do you go, who do you see?
00:24:50.993 --> 00:24:53.693
Tim Link: All that framework, I would imagine, is pretty much the same.
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Patricia Kara: So I love that you said that because I'm actually going back, as I wrote this and finished it, I moved in the middle of this and I'm in a different state.
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Patricia Kara: So all of a sudden, I find myself going back to basics and going, okay, I don't know anybody here.
00:25:07.933 --> 00:25:09.513
Patricia Kara: I don't know the agencies.
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Patricia Kara: I don't know the casting directors.
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Patricia Kara: I don't know anybody.
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Patricia Kara: So I'm starting from scratch.
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Patricia Kara: Yeah, I have more experience under my belt, which helps, absolutely.
00:25:17.693 --> 00:25:31.173
Patricia Kara: But I find myself going through the steps in my book because I have to figure it out and network and do new photoshoots, do different auditions, the self-tapes too, find the agents.
00:25:31.413 --> 00:25:40.333
Patricia Kara: So I find myself, which I'm excited about now because I'm like, okay, it's starting new, it's starting fresh, but all those things apply right now.
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Patricia Kara: So it's a pretty cool experience actually.
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Patricia Kara: So it's the unknown and I can't wait to see how it goes, where it goes.
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Patricia Kara: And there's going to be a lot of rejection in between, but I'm ready for it.
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Patricia Kara: I'm like, okay, for you're going to be a no, but there's going to be a yes eventually.
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Tim Link: That's it.
00:25:54.913 --> 00:25:55.473
Tim Link: That's it.
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Patricia Kara: That's it.
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Tim Link: Oh, man, I'm going back to my sales days.
00:25:58.953 --> 00:26:02.573
Tim Link: If for every 10 calls, you get four appointments and every four points, you close one deal.
00:26:02.593 --> 00:26:06.053
Tim Link: So it's really good to close two deals.
00:26:06.073 --> 00:26:06.973
Tim Link: So it works out well.
00:26:06.993 --> 00:26:08.333
Tim Link: So I think that's the same as well.
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Patricia Kara: I love that you understand.
00:26:09.893 --> 00:26:11.073
Tim Link: Yeah, absolutely.
00:26:11.093 --> 00:26:13.333
Tim Link: You're just getting closer to the yes.
00:26:13.493 --> 00:26:15.293
Tim Link: That's the key.
00:26:15.313 --> 00:26:16.853
Tim Link: Be persistent, but not pesty.
00:26:16.913 --> 00:26:19.513
Tim Link: That's what I try to tell my wife.
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Tim Link: I don't know.
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Tim Link: What you talked about, one thing that popped up again is early on, you talked about moving, going from Chicago to going to New York, going to LA, these types of things.
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Tim Link: How important is that nowadays to go to the heart of where we think the entertainment industry is or is it more vast?
00:26:41.433 --> 00:26:48.173
Tim Link: Because I know I'm in Atlanta area, Atlanta is a hotbed, I've appeared as a parent in a few movies.
00:26:48.373 --> 00:26:50.753
Tim Link: That's when you know you're getting old when you're the parent or the grandparent.
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Patricia Kara: I'm there.
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Patricia Kara: Yeah.
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Tim Link: So these say that, but you've got Atlanta, it's coming up.
00:26:57.473 --> 00:27:00.813
Tim Link: They do a lot of stuff in Vancouver, of course, LA, New York.
00:27:01.153 --> 00:27:02.153
Tim Link: It's all over the place.
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Tim Link: How important is it to get to what we call the heart or the mecca of what we think the industry is compared to being flexible enough that maybe you're doing some stuff on a more regional basis or based somewhere you really want to live compared and then going to wherever you need to do the jobs?
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Patricia Kara: I think it's great to start where you're at, but things have changed so much at this point.
00:27:22.593 --> 00:27:24.233
Patricia Kara: Now everybody's doing the self tapes.
00:27:24.413 --> 00:27:27.533
Patricia Kara: It's easier for you to do a self tape, submit it.
00:27:27.753 --> 00:27:33.453
Patricia Kara: And if you get the job, you can flag it to wherever they're doing the shoot for the film, the TV show, the modeling job.
00:27:33.873 --> 00:27:39.093
Patricia Kara: So now I think people are in a better place of having access to a lot more.
00:27:39.433 --> 00:27:47.573
Patricia Kara: And again, you could live in those main hubs, but there are smaller markets that you can just travel to those bigger markets.
00:27:47.593 --> 00:27:48.933
Patricia Kara: It's so much easier now.
00:27:49.253 --> 00:27:50.653
Patricia Kara: So many more opportunities.
00:27:51.013 --> 00:27:55.993
Patricia Kara: I was in LA, booked a job that was in Florida the week I was moving.
00:27:56.013 --> 00:28:00.253
Patricia Kara: And I was like, how random that I have to go shoot where I'm moving to.
00:28:00.273 --> 00:28:02.213
Patricia Kara: So it's just interesting how it works.
00:28:02.233 --> 00:28:02.893
Patricia Kara: It's changed.
00:28:02.913 --> 00:28:06.953
Patricia Kara: And luckily, now we can create our own studios within our homes, right?
00:28:07.333 --> 00:28:07.873
Tim Link: That's it.
00:28:08.013 --> 00:28:09.253
Tim Link: That's it for sure.
00:28:09.273 --> 00:28:13.233
Tim Link: We talked about agents and managers and these type of things.
00:28:13.393 --> 00:28:15.473
Tim Link: At what point do you start looking for that?
00:28:15.733 --> 00:28:18.733
Tim Link: Or what point do you start fending them off at the door?
00:28:18.753 --> 00:28:21.593
Tim Link: Because everybody wants to be your manager or agent when you're hot.
00:28:22.153 --> 00:28:27.973
Tim Link: At what point, if you're new to all this, do you need to be considering that compared to how much you can do on your own?
00:28:29.373 --> 00:28:33.833
Patricia Kara: For me, personally, I always went the agent route in the beginning.
00:28:33.853 --> 00:28:39.193
Patricia Kara: Like for me, having an agent and I started asking the questions along the way, like when do I get a manager?
00:28:39.453 --> 00:28:40.093
Patricia Kara: And it's different.
00:28:40.113 --> 00:28:46.013
Patricia Kara: I have friends who got a manager first before an agent, and they looked for a manager to help them find an agent.
00:28:46.333 --> 00:28:51.373
Patricia Kara: I think in LA, more people have managers and agents, but I think it's a personal thing.
00:28:51.393 --> 00:28:58.453
Patricia Kara: You have to really look at where you're at, because in between the last 35 years, did I have a manager?
00:28:58.473 --> 00:28:59.573
Patricia Kara: At some point, I did.
00:28:59.593 --> 00:29:00.693
Patricia Kara: For a few years, I did.
00:29:00.953 --> 00:29:03.113
Patricia Kara: And realized, why do I have a manager?
00:29:03.233 --> 00:29:08.893
Patricia Kara: I think I can do this on my own, and I have somebody who does my contracts.
00:29:08.913 --> 00:29:10.113
Patricia Kara: I have agents as well.
00:29:10.373 --> 00:29:13.093
Patricia Kara: And I have agents for each thing that I do.
00:29:13.373 --> 00:29:19.233
Patricia Kara: One for commercials, one for acting, one for each category, there's an agent.
00:29:19.573 --> 00:29:24.953
Patricia Kara: So for me, it felt like I don't want a manager, I don't need one at this point in time.
00:29:25.133 --> 00:29:25.973
Patricia Kara: That may change.
00:29:25.993 --> 00:29:28.753
Patricia Kara: I mean, as you go, you have to figure that out.
00:29:28.973 --> 00:29:53.333
Patricia Kara: But I think if you find yourself a good agent and have a good relationship with your agent where you're communicating and you're on the same page that they're working for you and you're communicating what your needs and wants or what you're trying to figure out your career and you have those conversations, then you could go without a manager to, as long as you want, it's up to you and just gauge where your career is at that point.
00:29:53.853 --> 00:29:54.153
Tim Link: Right.
00:29:54.273 --> 00:29:54.913
Tim Link: Good advice.
00:29:54.933 --> 00:29:55.453
Tim Link: Good advice.
00:29:55.573 --> 00:30:03.313
Tim Link: Because I know you from the agent front, when we're talking about literary, I've had literary agents, and one I have found some are very, very in tune.
00:30:03.353 --> 00:30:04.253
Tim Link: You're very tight knit.
00:30:04.273 --> 00:30:05.073
Tim Link: You've got a goal.
00:30:05.093 --> 00:30:06.333
Tim Link: Here's what we're trying to accomplish.
00:30:06.353 --> 00:30:07.833
Tim Link: Here's what we're going to pitch, so on and so forth.
00:30:08.113 --> 00:30:11.833
Tim Link: And others are more like, well, give me the stuff and I'll go out and see if I can sell it for you.
00:30:12.133 --> 00:30:13.353
Tim Link: And then don't call me.
00:30:13.533 --> 00:30:15.853
Tim Link: I had an agent after a while.
00:30:15.873 --> 00:30:16.813
Tim Link: It's like, yeah.
00:30:16.833 --> 00:30:17.853
Tim Link: And that's so frustrating.
00:30:17.873 --> 00:30:19.633
Tim Link: It's like, wait a minute, you're supposed to be working for me.
00:30:19.913 --> 00:30:25.013
Tim Link: And you're not, because unless you sell something on my behalf, you're not really that interested.
00:30:25.493 --> 00:30:27.173
Tim Link: And so I imagine it's hard to find...
00:30:27.193 --> 00:30:29.613
Tim Link: I would imagine early on, you're excited about having an agent.
00:30:30.613 --> 00:30:31.673
Tim Link: Absolutely, yeah.
00:30:31.793 --> 00:30:33.713
Tim Link: So am I paying me in advance to write my book?
00:30:33.733 --> 00:30:34.813
Tim Link: I, you know, whoa.
00:30:34.833 --> 00:30:37.453
Tim Link: And then after a while, you're like, why am I paying this person 15%?
00:30:37.473 --> 00:30:39.673
Tim Link: I don't, wait a minute, what's going on here?
00:30:39.693 --> 00:30:40.353
Tim Link: Whatever it may be.
00:30:40.913 --> 00:30:44.993
Tim Link: So how do you sort of, how do you decipher through what that fit is?
00:30:44.993 --> 00:30:53.253
Tim Link: What that, if you feel that you need an agent and or they're knocking on your door, how do you sort of determine, is it an instinct, a gut feeling?
00:30:53.273 --> 00:30:55.693
Tim Link: Do you pick their brain about how knowledgeable they are?
00:30:55.973 --> 00:30:57.813
Tim Link: How do you go about sort of positioning yourself?
00:30:57.833 --> 00:31:02.413
Patricia Kara: All the above, actually, all the above is you have to gauge it and look at it.
00:31:02.413 --> 00:31:08.573
Patricia Kara: And sometimes it, like I've had agents where they were so good and they were so great and we worked for years together.
00:31:08.893 --> 00:31:12.293
Patricia Kara: And then all of a sudden it started shifting and it wasn't quite the same.
00:31:12.813 --> 00:31:17.573
Patricia Kara: And I had the conversation with the agent and I talk about one of these experiences in the book.
00:31:18.253 --> 00:31:24.833
Patricia Kara: And they were like, you don't have a niche, you don't have, you know, this or that, you're older now.
00:31:24.833 --> 00:31:26.713
Patricia Kara: It gave me all the excuses.
00:31:27.053 --> 00:31:30.553
Patricia Kara: And I was like, OK, at that point, I wasn't done yet.
00:31:30.553 --> 00:31:32.493
Patricia Kara: I'm like, I'm not, you know, hanging it up.
00:31:32.513 --> 00:31:35.253
Patricia Kara: I'm still in this and I'm ready to keep going.
00:31:35.273 --> 00:31:36.293
Patricia Kara: What is he talking about?
00:31:36.433 --> 00:31:45.193
Patricia Kara: So I made the decision after all these years to part ways with him and wished him well, and he did go on and he did really well.
00:31:45.653 --> 00:31:50.873
Patricia Kara: I went with another agent within that week, found another agent that ended up booking me on three different hosting jobs.
00:31:51.353 --> 00:31:54.953
Patricia Kara: And here's this other agent telling me, you know, you're pretty much washed up.
00:31:55.353 --> 00:31:56.733
Patricia Kara: And then you find this other agent.
00:31:56.913 --> 00:31:59.573
Patricia Kara: So sometimes I think people get comfortable.
00:32:00.293 --> 00:32:11.453
Patricia Kara: And when you start feeling those things where you're like, oh, it's not moving, it's not going, definitely gauge it because sometimes we're also obviously wanting more always immediately.
00:32:11.893 --> 00:32:14.553
Patricia Kara: But I think you just need to gauge it, trust your instincts.
00:32:14.573 --> 00:32:24.613
Patricia Kara: And if you feel like you've done everything where you're trying to have these conversations with your agent and it's still not shifting, you know, you get that gut feeling.
00:32:24.633 --> 00:32:26.813
Patricia Kara: And you have to start looking elsewhere.
00:32:26.833 --> 00:32:29.513
Patricia Kara: And it's OK to feel that that's going to happen a lot.
00:32:29.613 --> 00:32:33.773
Patricia Kara: It's it's it's a roller coaster ride and you're going to have your highs, your lows, your ups, your downs.
00:32:34.513 --> 00:32:36.733
Patricia Kara: It's just a matter of do you want to keep going?
00:32:36.873 --> 00:32:37.253
Patricia Kara: Great.
00:32:37.293 --> 00:32:39.033
Patricia Kara: OK, we'll figure out how to keep going.
00:32:39.313 --> 00:32:42.273
Patricia Kara: At the end of the day, you're your own manager, your own agent.
00:32:42.493 --> 00:32:48.473
Patricia Kara: So as much as you have a team around you, you still are the one in charge of your career.
00:32:48.493 --> 00:32:52.733
Patricia Kara: So you need to figure out what's right for you and go from there.
00:32:53.013 --> 00:32:54.353
Tim Link: Great, great advice.
00:32:54.873 --> 00:32:55.153
Tim Link: Love it.
00:32:56.433 --> 00:33:01.473
Tim Link: So last tidbit I'll give you here is, you know, obviously a huge fan of yours, huge fan of the book.
00:33:01.693 --> 00:33:02.853
Tim Link: I love everything about it.
00:33:02.873 --> 00:33:03.413
Tim Link: Dream On...
00:33:03.413 --> 00:33:03.993
Tim Link: Now Deliver.
00:33:04.153 --> 00:33:06.313
Tim Link: So it's a great, great insight.
00:33:06.493 --> 00:33:08.493
Tim Link: What was your goal at the end of the day?
00:33:08.513 --> 00:33:09.633
Tim Link: Did you have a goal or takeaway?
00:33:09.653 --> 00:33:18.773
Tim Link: So when everybody picks up a copy of the book and they read through it and love it and they earmark it and they mark it up and they buy a second copy, so they can put it on the shelf, the third copy so they have it.
00:33:18.793 --> 00:33:21.693
Tim Link: So when they see you in person, you can sign it.
00:33:21.713 --> 00:33:25.793
Tim Link: Was there a goal or thing you're hoping that people walk away from after reading the book?
00:33:26.133 --> 00:33:27.713
Patricia Kara: The goal is for them to succeed.
00:33:27.813 --> 00:33:30.693
Patricia Kara: I love getting feedback from people on the...
00:33:30.933 --> 00:33:34.153
Patricia Kara: I mean, first, I had it, you know, my friends and family, I'm like, OK, read it.
00:33:34.173 --> 00:33:34.713
Patricia Kara: What do you think?
00:33:34.733 --> 00:33:37.553
Patricia Kara: Like, oh, my God, you know, do I hit the mark for people?
00:33:37.573 --> 00:33:39.213
Patricia Kara: Like, are they going to understand what I'm talking about?
00:33:39.533 --> 00:33:46.133
Patricia Kara: Which that's why the glossary is so important, because if you're new into this, you don't know what's what.
00:33:46.153 --> 00:33:50.293
Patricia Kara: And that's why when you're on set, you have to pay attention and really ask all the questions.
00:33:50.313 --> 00:33:54.373
Patricia Kara: If you don't know something, ask those questions, find out, learn, figure it out.
00:33:54.573 --> 00:34:02.313
Patricia Kara: But the goal is for people to get that help, because once I started having people reach out to me and tell me where they're at with I love hearing those stories.
00:34:02.573 --> 00:34:08.753
Patricia Kara: It makes me happy to know that they're getting that inspiration to take the next steps, because it is scary.
00:34:09.093 --> 00:34:10.573
Patricia Kara: It is scary, the unknown.
00:34:10.873 --> 00:34:16.613
Patricia Kara: And there are people that have told me, oh, I'm in it, but I'm not sure, you know, whether I continue to pursue this.
00:34:16.993 --> 00:34:28.853
Patricia Kara: So again, I love knowing that they're trying and they're figuring it out and that they're just excited to get to the next steps and hopefully flourish and, you know, reach new heights.
00:34:28.973 --> 00:34:30.233
Patricia Kara: That excites me to no end.
00:34:30.473 --> 00:34:31.513
Tim Link: Well, that is fantastic.
00:34:31.533 --> 00:34:32.633
Tim Link: And the book will definitely do that.
00:34:32.673 --> 00:34:36.693
Tim Link: So where can people find out about you, Vince, things going on?
00:34:36.713 --> 00:34:37.713
Tim Link: What has the best way to follow you?
00:34:38.673 --> 00:34:41.233
Patricia Kara: On my website, patriciacara.com.
00:34:41.273 --> 00:34:42.793
Patricia Kara: And that's K-A-R-A.
00:34:42.873 --> 00:34:44.333
Patricia Kara: And I'm also on social media.
00:34:44.353 --> 00:34:46.173
Patricia Kara: Everything is under Patricia Kara.
00:34:46.633 --> 00:34:51.213
Patricia Kara: So Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, which is X now, but all the above.
00:34:52.953 --> 00:34:53.593
Tim Link: Definitely.
00:34:53.613 --> 00:34:57.873
Tim Link: Well, everybody will post all those and make sure everybody knows to follow you on all those wonderful sites.
00:34:58.233 --> 00:34:59.533
Tim Link: Everybody pick up a copy of the book.
00:34:59.553 --> 00:35:07.553
Tim Link: The thing I love about the book, among many, many, many, many things, is not only is it, I think, applicable for the entertainment industry, it's applicable for life.
00:35:07.973 --> 00:35:11.913
Tim Link: You know, yes, the terminologies are different and things, but you've got to have a support system.
00:35:11.933 --> 00:35:12.793
Tim Link: You've got a network.
00:35:12.813 --> 00:35:13.813
Tim Link: You've got to meet people.
00:35:14.173 --> 00:35:15.733
Tim Link: You've got to be your own cheerleader.
00:35:15.753 --> 00:35:17.613
Tim Link: We also have cheerleaders around you.
00:35:17.893 --> 00:35:19.473
Tim Link: So it's a great book for that as well.
00:35:19.973 --> 00:35:21.813
Tim Link: So, you know, I want everybody to pick up a copy of the book.
00:35:21.893 --> 00:35:22.843
Tim Link: It's Dream On...
00:35:22.843 --> 00:35:28.553
Tim Link: Now Deliver, The No-Nonsense Guide to Achieving Success in the Entertainment Industry by Patricia Kara.
00:35:28.913 --> 00:35:32.013
Tim Link: Patricia, thank you so, so much for coming on the show.
00:35:32.033 --> 00:35:34.213
Tim Link: I can't wait for the second or third book.
00:35:34.333 --> 00:35:37.913
Tim Link: And we'll have to have extended interviews because we both love to talk.
00:35:37.933 --> 00:35:38.853
Tim Link: And I love that too.
00:35:40.133 --> 00:35:40.553
Patricia Kara: I love it.
00:35:40.573 --> 00:35:46.293
Patricia Kara: And I love what you said about the book that you can apply this to other things in your life, whether it's personal or professional.
00:35:46.853 --> 00:35:48.373
Patricia Kara: I had that in mind.
00:35:48.413 --> 00:35:50.973
Patricia Kara: And so I love that you just said that.
00:35:51.073 --> 00:35:53.093
Patricia Kara: That's the biggest compliment for me.
00:35:53.253 --> 00:35:55.553
Patricia Kara: And so I really appreciate you saying that.
00:35:55.773 --> 00:36:00.553
Patricia Kara: I appreciate your time and giving a shout out to the book and having this conversation with you.
00:36:00.573 --> 00:36:01.393
Patricia Kara: I feel like I know you.
00:36:01.653 --> 00:36:02.693
Patricia Kara: We can go on and on.
00:36:02.713 --> 00:36:03.513
Tim Link: There you go.
00:36:03.533 --> 00:36:04.113
Tim Link: I love it.
00:36:04.133 --> 00:36:04.613
Tim Link: I love it.
00:36:04.753 --> 00:36:06.353
Tim Link: Well, well deserved.
00:36:06.353 --> 00:36:07.353
Tim Link: Great job on it.
00:36:07.373 --> 00:36:12.173
Tim Link: I look forward to chatting with you again somewhere down the road, meeting up in person somewhere down the road.
00:36:12.433 --> 00:36:15.873
Tim Link: But definitely everybody pick up a copy of Dream On and Now Deliver by Patricia Kara.
00:36:16.313 --> 00:36:17.773
Patricia Kara: Thank you.
00:36:18.033 --> 00:36:20.033
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00:36:20.273 --> 00:36:23.553
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