Oh Behave!

 

MARIANNE LEONE is an actress, screenwriter, and essayist. Her essays have appeared in The Boston Globe, Lit Hub, Ploughshares, Post Road, Bark Magazine, Coastal Living, Solstice, and elsewhere. She is the author of two memoirs, Jesse and Ma Speaks Up. She had a recurring role on HBO’s The Sopranos and has appeared in films by David O. Russell, Larry David, John Sayles, Nancy Savoca, and Martin Scorsese. Leone and her husband live outside of Boston.

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Announcer: Pet Life Radio This is Pet Life Radio.

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Announcer: Let's talk pets.

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Announcer: It's Oh Behave with Arden Moore.

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Announcer: This show that teaches you how to have Harmony in the household with your pets.

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Announcer: Join Arden as she travels coast to coast to help millions better understand why cats and dogs do what they do.

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Announcer: Get the latest scoop on famous faces.

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Announcer: They're perfectly pampered pets in Who's Walking Who and Rent-In Tinseltown.

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Announcer: From famous pet experts and best selling authors to television and movie stars, you'll get the latest buzz from wagging tongues and tails.

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Announcer: Garner great pet tips and have a dog on fur flying fun time.

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Announcer: So get ready for the pause and applause as we unleash your Oh Behave host, America's pet edutainer, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Welcome to the Oh Behave Show on Pet Life Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Now, our special guest today was part of the epic Sopranos show on HBO.

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Arden Moore: But she isn't here to talk about gangsters.

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Arden Moore: She's here to share how, in her own words, a quintet of badass Vichans retrieved joy in her.

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Arden Moore: Please welcome to our show actor and author, Marianne Leone.

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Arden Moore: Welcome, welcome, Marianne.

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Marianne Leone: Thank you, Arden.

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Marianne Leone: I'm really happy to be here.

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Chris Cooper: You had me at badass Vichans.

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Chris Cooper: I've never heard that adjective put in front of that breed in my life.

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Marianne Leone: I know.

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Marianne Leone: They look like muppets, but they're badass.

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Arden Moore: Hey, everyone, we're going to dig in in a second because we're going to find out about a new book that Marianne just wrote.

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Arden Moore: It's called Five Dog Epiphany, How a Quintet of Badass Vichans Retrieved Our Joy.

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Arden Moore: After we take this break, you all know the drill.

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Arden Moore: We're going to sit and stay.

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Arden Moore: We'll be right back.

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Announcer: Time for a pause.

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Announcer: For furry ones, actually, sit and stay.

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Announcer: Oh Behave will be right back.

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Arden Moore: Pause up, Pet Pals.

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Arden Moore: Arden Moore here, your host of the Oh Behave show.

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Arden Moore: Me?

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Arden Moore: Wow.

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Arden Moore: Did you know there's up to 100 million free roaming cats in the United States?

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Arden Moore: And without spay or neuter, that number is only going to keep growing.

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Arden Moore: Not only does spay neuter humanely reduce the community cat population, it keeps cats healthy.

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Arden Moore: Scooter, the neuter cat, is on a mission to give cats an extra life by making it hip to be snipped.

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Arden Moore: Hey, check them out.

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Arden Moore: Go to givethemten.org.

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Arden Moore: That's givethemten.org.

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Arden Moore: And help us make this a better world for cats.

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Announcer: Let's Talk Pets on petliferadio.com Oh Behave is back with more tail wagging ways to achieve Harmony in the household with your pets.

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Announcer: Now back to your fetching host, America's Pet Edutainer, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to the Oh Behave Show on PetLife Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Our special guest is Marianne Leone.

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Arden Moore: She is an author, she's an actor.

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Arden Moore: You knew her, she played the character, actor of Joanne, Christopher's mother on The Sopranos.

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Arden Moore: I love that show.

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Arden Moore: We got to do a little fan out there for people.

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Arden Moore: Come on, we're on there four seasons.

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Arden Moore: You are a screenwriter and author, but Edie Falco and James Galdafini, a whole host of superstars.

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Arden Moore: What a cast.

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Marianne Leone: Edie is such a dog lover.

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Marianne Leone: She brought her dog to set often.

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Marianne Leone: She did.

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Marianne Leone: She did.

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Marianne Leone: She blurbed my book and she wrote back to me the day after I sent it to her and said that she stayed up all night reading it.

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Marianne Leone: She is a true dog lover and dog saver.

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Arden Moore: I got it right here.

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Arden Moore: Edie Falco said, I tore through this book, couldn't put it down and my rescue pit bull kept looking at me trying to identify the sound coming out of me, then jumping up to lick off my tears.

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Arden Moore: Very fitting.

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Arden Moore: I am so grateful to Marianne Leone for sharing her story with the world.

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Arden Moore: Amen, Edie.

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Marianne Leone: It was lovely to get that.

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Marianne Leone: I was so thrilled.

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Marianne Leone: She's a kind person.

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Marianne Leone: I wrote in the book about after our son, we had a child named Jesse who came 10 weeks early and on the third day of his life because he was so premature, he had a brain bleed and he developed cerebral palsy.

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Marianne Leone: Despite the fact that he was non-verbal and he was quadriplegic, he was also brilliant.

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Marianne Leone: He wrote poetry and we moved here to Massachusetts because in those days in the 90s, he was born in 1987, it was pre-internet.

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Marianne Leone: I did research and my home state was better than the federal average for including children with disabilities in school.

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Marianne Leone: However, we moved to a place where the guy who was the special ed director didn't believe in including children, and so they never messed with an Italian mother, especially one who worked on the Sopranos.

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Arden Moore: Especially someone from the Sopranos.

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Marianne Leone: There were six lawsuits that year.

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Marianne Leone: I organized the parents and he did not have a job at the end of when we got through with him, because he was quoted as saying, why should we spend money on these kids?

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Marianne Leone: They don't give anything back to society.

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Marianne Leone: Jesse gave a whole lot back to society and is still giving through his poetry and through whatever written words we had from him.

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Marianne Leone: But Jesse loved dogs.

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Marianne Leone: He was desperate for a dog.

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Arden Moore: Well, yeah, that's what I want to ask you, because even though he was non-verbal, doesn't mean he didn't say complete communication to you.

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Arden Moore: In your book, you talked about a special Christmas wish he said to Santa.

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Arden Moore: He actually verbalized.

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Arden Moore: Do you want to share that with our listeners?

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Marianne Leone: Yeah, he verbalized dog.

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Marianne Leone: He said dog with every fiber of his being.

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Marianne Leone: And I turned to Chris and said, he's getting a dog.

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Marianne Leone: And it was only a few weeks before Christmas.

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Marianne Leone: And also, we did something that we would be like pilloried for in society right now, which is we went to a pet store.

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Arden Moore: But again, it was a long time ago.

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Arden Moore: Come on, everybody.

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Marianne Leone: Exactly.

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Marianne Leone: I didn't know about puppy mills.

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Marianne Leone: I didn't know any of this.

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Marianne Leone: And I had researched in an actual book, not even online because it didn't exist for everybody.

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Marianne Leone: I had researched what kind of dog, excuse me, would be good for a kidney using a wheelchair.

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Marianne Leone: And Bichon seemed great because they were lap dogs, and they were fun, and they looked like muppets.

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Marianne Leone: So he found one on his bed Christmas morning.

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Arden Moore: And he named your first Bichon, right?

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Marianne Leone: He named him.

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Marianne Leone: We said, what's his name?

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Marianne Leone: And he said, good.

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Marianne Leone: And we said, good.

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Marianne Leone: And he clicked.

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Marianne Leone: He used to make this sound like a smacking of lips, which when I was on the street in New York, he used to drive me insane from men.

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Marianne Leone: No, from my son.

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Marianne Leone: It was beautiful.

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Marianne Leone: And he said, yes, good.

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Marianne Leone: And I said, goody.

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Marianne Leone: And he clicked again.

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Marianne Leone: And that was his name, goody.

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Marianne Leone: And goody was his first sibling.

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Marianne Leone: Goody was by his side.

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Marianne Leone: Always goody.

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Marianne Leone: When he had therapy on Fridays, when our shamanic physical therapist came over to work with Jesse, she had these healing hands and goody would whine and beg to get up on the table.

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Marianne Leone: He wanted the spillover of that energy.

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Marianne Leone: And he would lie in the crook of Jesse's arm on his back, receiving the healing energy.

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Marianne Leone: He also checked every morning when the wheelchair van would come to make sure he would go on board and be like, okay, it's all okay.

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Marianne Leone: As if you were wearing a little badge and a hat.

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Arden Moore: You know, it's hard.

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Arden Moore: Your book is like these mini vignette stories in each chapter.

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Arden Moore: And it did make me cry too, but it also had me cry with joy.

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Arden Moore: And people don't realize, is there such a thing as good grief?

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Arden Moore: I don't know, but I can't imagine losing a son.

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Arden Moore: You lost him at 17 and you and your husband, Chris Cooper, we got to give a shout out to him.

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Arden Moore: I know he's making coffee for all of us right now.

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Arden Moore: I like mine polluted, cream and sugar, please.

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Arden Moore: But I mean, we'll talk about him in a minute, but this is sort of dedicated to Jesse too and other mothers and other people who love their pets, love their children.

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Marianne Leone: Also, I hope it made you laugh in some places too, because one of the best things about my first book about Jesse was that Dennis Leary, the comedian, blurbed it for me.

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Marianne Leone: He said, I cried and I laughed and then I cried and then I laughed again.

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Marianne Leone: And that made me happy because I thought people might be afraid to read something that would make them sad, but I don't think this is, I hope, I don't think this is the kind of book that would make you sad.

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Arden Moore: No, no, it makes me embrace every day I'm vertical, basically.

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Arden Moore: I think that's what it does.

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Arden Moore: And I want to get into it because you did mention five badass Bichons.

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Arden Moore: Okay.

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Arden Moore: Go through the lineup of the names.

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Arden Moore: We're going to dive in in a minute, but go ahead, start in order.

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Marianne Leone: Goody.

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Marianne Leone: Okay, so there was Goody.

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Marianne Leone: Goody was Jesse's dog, and then there was Lucky and Frenchy, and then the girls from Louisiana that sound like, all right, pole dancers, Titi and Sugar.

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Arden Moore: I'm sorry.

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Arden Moore: I think you called them the bullying bitches from Louisiana.

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Marianne Leone: They are total bullies.

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Marianne Leone: They had me under their thumb until I finally emerged.

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Marianne Leone: I was kind of terrified.

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Marianne Leone: I have never seen dogs pay such attention to you.

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Marianne Leone: I'd never had girl dogs before.

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Marianne Leone: The boy dogs I had, Lucky and Frenchy, they were a bonded pair.

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Marianne Leone: They barely noticed you.

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Marianne Leone: They would give you a head nod like they were members of the mob standing around.

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Marianne Leone: Whereas the girls, if I get water to go into my bedroom at night, they're like, hurry up, she's going to bed.

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Marianne Leone: Let's go.

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Marianne Leone: They are on it.

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Arden Moore: Maybe they were secret service agents in their previous life or something.

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Arden Moore: I don't know.

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Marianne Leone: You can't get anything by them.

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Marianne Leone: You cannot.

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Arden Moore: Oh my God.

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Arden Moore: And we have to also talk about your other half.

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Arden Moore: I don't know if it's better.

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Arden Moore: I think it's a tie because in Hollywood, you guys have broken the myth.

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Arden Moore: You guys have been married over 40 years.

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Arden Moore: Give a shout out to your other half.

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Marianne Leone: I mean, he was the most beautiful father ever and the most wonderful with the animals.

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Marianne Leone: He is, they sense he has a gentle aura.

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Arden Moore: Even though he plays some pretty dark characters.

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Arden Moore: I know it's like, come on, you got to say his name.

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Arden Moore: Come on, what's his name?

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Marianne Leone: Chris Cooper.

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Marianne Leone: Oscar Winners.

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Arden Moore: He can come over and say hi because this is going on YouTube.

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Arden Moore: Come on, Chris.

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Marianne Leone: All right, baby.

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Marianne Leone: You're being invited in.

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Arden Moore: Come on, say hi.

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Arden Moore: Say hi.

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Arden Moore: I bite.

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Arden Moore: Just kidding.

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Arden Moore: Hi, Chris.

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Chris Cooper: I'm Arden.

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Chris Cooper: Hello, Arden.

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Arden Moore: It's good to see you.

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Arden Moore: I love your shows.

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Arden Moore: You scare the bejeebers out of me sometimes, though.

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Arden Moore: It's a pleasure.

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Arden Moore: Anybody that loves dogs, I'm a fan.

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Arden Moore: So thank you for doing that.

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Chris Cooper: These boys and these girls have just brought us through a lot.

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Marianne Leone: They really have.

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Chris Cooper: Well, I'll leave, but-

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Arden Moore: All right.

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Arden Moore: He's exiting stage right.

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Arden Moore: Watch him go, go.

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Arden Moore: There he goes.

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Arden Moore: Nice to talk to you.

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Arden Moore: Hey, we're going to keep talking with Marianne Leone.

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Arden Moore: She's got a new book out, and I really think you need to get your paws on it.

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Arden Moore: It is called Five Dog Epiphany, and we're going to dive in a little bit more, but we got to take a break.

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Arden Moore: So you know the drill.

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Arden Moore: Sit, stay.

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Arden Moore: We'll be right back.

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Announcer: Time for a walk on the red carpet, of course.

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Announcer: Oh Behave will be back in a flash, right after these messages.

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James Giuliani: Let me tell you something.

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James Giuliani: You better come and listen to these guys.

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James Giuliani: We don't know what it's all about or else.

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Announcer: Just check the paper and we had a record showing at the box.

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Announcer: The letter box that is.

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Announcer: Now back to Oh Behave.

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Announcer: Here's Arden.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to the Oh Behave Show on PetLife Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: I am talking with a phenom.

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Arden Moore: Her name is Marianne Leone.

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Arden Moore: She has had dogs inspire her in her life.

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Arden Moore: She knows how to write.

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Arden Moore: Her heart beats dog.

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Arden Moore: We've talked a little bit about her son, Jesse, the love of her life.

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Arden Moore: I wanted to talk a little bit about the connection first Jesse had with Goody.

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Arden Moore: Then we'll get into the tag team of Lucky and Frenchie or French Fry.

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Arden Moore: I couldn't remember how you click.

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Marianne Leone: French Fry and Lucky Dog.

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Marianne Leone: I know.

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Marianne Leone: They had really absurd names.

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Arden Moore: Oh my God.

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Arden Moore: Hold the mail.

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Marianne Leone: You know, their picture, their adoption picture, they looked so woe be gone.

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Marianne Leone: It belied the frivolity of their names.

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Marianne Leone: They just looked like.

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Arden Moore: Yeah.

00:14:20.780 --> 00:14:29.600
Arden Moore: Well, you called Goody the Prince of Dogs, but you called Lucky the Marvel superhero whose superpower is defiance.

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Marianne Leone: It's true.

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Arden Moore: They're both the same breed.

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Arden Moore: What's going on?

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Marianne Leone: Lucky was a tough guy.

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Marianne Leone: I don't know what he'd been through.

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Arden Moore: Would he be in the Sopranos?

00:14:36.580 --> 00:14:37.320
Arden Moore: Would have been?

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Marianne Leone: He could be like the dog that you thought was going to be like some lap dog, but no, he would be an ankle biter.

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Marianne Leone: But he never bit anybody.

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Marianne Leone: Actually, it was TT who was the biter.

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Marianne Leone: But I think that he was very bonded to Frenchie, but he was far more bold.

00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:55.620
Marianne Leone: He was a bold dog.

00:14:56.160 --> 00:14:59.660
Marianne Leone: He was the first one to go off leash and he ran.

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Marianne Leone: He didn't bolt.

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Marianne Leone: He looked back to make sure we were there.

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Marianne Leone: But he was one of these guys who just felt very secure in who he was.

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Marianne Leone: I had to laugh all the time.

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Marianne Leone: He was the tiniest of all the Bichons too.

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Marianne Leone: He was small.

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Arden Moore: He was very lucky.

00:15:14.500 --> 00:15:16.540
Arden Moore: He should have bought lottery tickets for some of the things.

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Arden Moore: Didn't he spill in water or something in cold water, in a lake or something, or somebody did.

00:15:21.500 --> 00:15:23.660
Arden Moore: Lucky fell in icy water and survived.

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Marianne Leone: That was around the bogs, which was over his head.

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Marianne Leone: I had to fish him out and then wrap him in my coat and carry him home.

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Marianne Leone: He would do anything.

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Marianne Leone: He was just like a daredevil, daredevil dog.

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Marianne Leone: That's what he was.

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Arden Moore: I love it.

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Arden Moore: You were talking about how it was years ago, and you got goody for Jesse, and then you learned about rescues, and you described Lucky dog and French fry as puppy mill prisoners for three years.

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Arden Moore: It doesn't sound like they had a good puppyhood.

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Marianne Leone: Not at all.

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Marianne Leone: In fact, it showed me how dogs are like people in that they're temperamentally really different.

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Marianne Leone: Lucky is bold as he was and fearsome.

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Marianne Leone: You know, Frenchy was always a little reserved and a little bit frightened.

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Marianne Leone: Okay.

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Marianne Leone: And he was a dog who, if you put him on his back after having him for 13 years, he'd be a four-poster bed.

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Marianne Leone: You know, his legs would be straight up.

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Marianne Leone: Whereas the girls that we got who had far more horrible situation for TT, they were lying around, you know, just legs open, having a great time within a few weeks.

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Marianne Leone: So it shows me how different temperaments are.

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Marianne Leone: Because Frenchy was always kind of passive and dolerous, you know.

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Arden Moore: Well, and I know when your son passed away, he died at age 17.

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Arden Moore: And then years later, Lucky died at what age?

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Marianne Leone: Yeah, the same.

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Marianne Leone: And so did Frenchy.

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Arden Moore: They both died.

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Arden Moore: So what's your thoughts on that?

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Marianne Leone: I don't know what this connection is because I'm a skeptic.

00:16:59.920 --> 00:17:04.000
Marianne Leone: But these guys all kept renewing my faith in something beyond.

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Marianne Leone: Even though I remain a skeptic, I still don't understand why after Jesse died, Goody would run into his room, stop short, tail wagging like mad, and do the, I see you.

00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.660
Marianne Leone: Hi, it's you.

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Marianne Leone: And it both shocked me and made me jealous.

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Marianne Leone: What is he seeing that I can't see?

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Marianne Leone: And I don't know what that is.

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Marianne Leone: I don't, I still don't know what that is.

00:17:27.740 --> 00:17:32.580
Marianne Leone: Maybe some dog, when you have a dog psychologist, you can explain it to me.

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Arden Moore: Oh yeah, animal communicator too, I've had him.

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Arden Moore: Yeah, it is eerie.

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Arden Moore: I just think I'm in this part of my life where I'm not going to say no.

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Marianne Leone: Right.

00:17:41.220 --> 00:17:44.560
Arden Moore: I'm going to say maybe or what's going on, right?

00:17:44.560 --> 00:17:46.000
Arden Moore: I think you feel the same.

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Marianne Leone: I'm exactly like that, exactly.

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Arden Moore: I mean, I was a newspaper reporter for 20 years where my editor taught me, Arden, if your mother tells you she loves you, check it out.

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Arden Moore: Well, I think you're of that same ilk that you would check things out.

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Marianne Leone: I'm a journalism fangirl, so now that I know you have that in your background, that's, I mean.

00:18:05.620 --> 00:18:07.260
Arden Moore: Yeah, when it was real newspapers.

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Marianne Leone: And when they did actually report it.

00:18:09.140 --> 00:18:13.640
Arden Moore: Yeah, our job was to get both sides and your referee in a boxing match.

00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:14.600
Arden Moore: So yeah.

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Marianne Leone: Absolutely.

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Marianne Leone: I really admire and I have friends who are also reporters, I mean, McNamara who wrote for the Globe, who won a Pulitzer for her column and who was the first to give the spotlight team about the priest pedophile scandal.

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Marianne Leone: She's an amazing girl and she comes from, she's kind of like my Irish twin, even though I'm Italian.

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Marianne Leone: I mean, we both had parochial school and when she told the nun, she wanted to go to Columbia, the nun said to her, Oh, Eileen, you're not going to school in South America.

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Arden Moore: Well, your family did come from Italy and then your dad had a little neighborhood bar I guess in Massachusetts.

00:18:55.180 --> 00:18:57.700
Arden Moore: Tell us a little bit about your Italian background.

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Marianne Leone: My mother cooked for him for the bar and it's a place where it was guys and fedoras were eating the sports page, you know what I mean?

00:19:05.760 --> 00:19:14.860
Marianne Leone: But I think that if it had been now, the foodies would have gone insane because there's my mother cooking, bringing these and she was an amazing cook.

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Marianne Leone: My mother was somebody who every Sunday, there would be a mound of flour and she made her own pasta, rolled out this pasta credit card, then hand cut.

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Marianne Leone: I still dream of it.

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Arden Moore: Wait a minute, say that slowly because that's a good description.

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Marianne Leone: It was hand cut, rolled out, credit card thin, where she got the strength to do it.

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Marianne Leone: Chris and I tried to make it, we were complete flops.

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Marianne Leone: I don't get it, but she was a strong woman.

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Marianne Leone: She came here at either 16 or 18 to escape fascism, and her father was trying to marry her off to an old guy with property adjoining there.

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Marianne Leone: So it's amazing to think of.

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Marianne Leone: I wrote a book about her too called Ma Speaks Up.

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Arden Moore: I like that.

00:19:55.660 --> 00:19:56.920
Arden Moore: I like that.

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Arden Moore: So why this book now?

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Arden Moore: Five Dog Epiphany?

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Marianne Leone: I do explore the theme of grief a lot because we're in a culture that doesn't really understand it in this country.

00:20:09.540 --> 00:20:15.800
Marianne Leone: I talk about that, about how in other countries, where my mother came from, they acknowledge grief.

00:20:15.800 --> 00:20:17.900
Marianne Leone: I think they're comfortable with it.

00:20:17.900 --> 00:20:19.540
Marianne Leone: They're more comfortable with it than we are.

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Marianne Leone: We have this thing of just get over it, which you never do.

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Marianne Leone: So, you incorporate it into your life, however you're going to incorporate it.

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Marianne Leone: It does not mean that we...

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Marianne Leone: What I wanted to show was, it doesn't mean that you will never experience joy again, because we certainly have.

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Marianne Leone: And these dogs have brought us joy.

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Marianne Leone: And that's what I wanted to tell people.

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Arden Moore: Folks, what I like is the way you tee it up is, you have little mini chapters, almost like vignettes, almost essays.

00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:47.220
Arden Moore: And I know you're an essayist.

00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:50.200
Arden Moore: That's hard to say, because it sounds like I'm calling you a dirty word.

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Chris Cooper: You're an essayist.

00:20:51.520 --> 00:20:52.420
Chris Cooper: You're an essayist.

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Arden Moore: You're right.

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Arden Moore: But that's what I liked.

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Arden Moore: But back in your childhood, weren't you scared of dogs initially?

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Marianne Leone: I was terrified of dogs, mainly because my first chapter, I talk about how I wasn't allowed to go out of the yard.

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Marianne Leone: But of course, I did go out of the yard and it was kind of, it's only seven miles outside of Boston, but then it still had rural little parts to it.

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Marianne Leone: So the Farinas had a rural looking area where they had a German shepherd who had just whelped and she had her little puppies.

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Arden Moore: She's like a mama bear.

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Marianne Leone: Yeah.

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Marianne Leone: I stumbled into the puppies and thought I had discovered treasure because it was like all my stuffed animals had suddenly come to life.

00:21:34.660 --> 00:21:44.700
Marianne Leone: I was like five or four and out of nowhere came this big bad wolf that almost took my eye out.

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Marianne Leone: I had to wear a patch on my eye and for a while it recovered.

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Marianne Leone: But after that, there was a German shepherd.

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Marianne Leone: I was terrified of the breed after that.

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Marianne Leone: Walking to school every day, there was a German shepherd that arrested me every single day.

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Marianne Leone: We used to call them police dogs because everybody was a mutt, for the most part in my neighborhood.

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Marianne Leone: We were all working class.

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Marianne Leone: And here was this police dog arresting me every single day.

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Marianne Leone: I would just stand there in terror and he would own me.

00:22:12.560 --> 00:22:15.020
Marianne Leone: He would jump up on me and I would just stay.

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Arden Moore: But he smelled your fear.

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Marianne Leone: Absolutely.

00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.200
Marianne Leone: I understand that now.

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Arden Moore: But then you had three dogs all by the same name.

00:22:21.800 --> 00:22:22.840
Arden Moore: That's kind of weird.

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Marianne Leone: I know, Skippy.

00:22:24.040 --> 00:22:24.600
Marianne Leone: Because I was-

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Arden Moore: And they all died the same way.

00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:27.720
Arden Moore: That's really weird.

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Marianne Leone: We have a street where people just race down that street.

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Marianne Leone: And they each escaped and they each died.

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Marianne Leone: And I didn't name them because I stayed away from them.

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Marianne Leone: I was still in my period of getting to understand that dogs would not hurt me.

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Marianne Leone: And I made a full recovery by the time I was a teenager.

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Arden Moore: Well, now you got badass Bichons and you understand the power of the paw of dogs.

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Marianne Leone: But I love all dogs though and cats.

00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:58.240
Marianne Leone: I mean, I love all animals.

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Marianne Leone: You should see me out here in my snow-white feeding frenzy.

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Marianne Leone: There was a fox that was coming every day.

00:23:03.860 --> 00:23:09.160
Marianne Leone: And I had all these fantasies of a fox is going to join our pack.

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Marianne Leone: Not didn't happen.

00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.340
Marianne Leone: But he did look up at me and smile.

00:23:12.340 --> 00:23:13.960
Marianne Leone: And I put that picture in the book.

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Arden Moore: I did see that.

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Arden Moore: Hey, we're speaking with Marianne Leone.

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Arden Moore: We're going to talk a little bit more.

00:23:19.520 --> 00:23:23.760
Arden Moore: And I know you Soprano fans need a little bit of inside scoop from her.

00:23:23.760 --> 00:23:25.680
Arden Moore: So we've waited till the end to share that.

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Arden Moore: So everybody sit, stay.

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Announcer: Now back to your fetching host, America's pet edutainer, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to the Oh Behave show on Pet Life Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Author, actress, Marianne Leone is here with her new book.

00:25:27.820 --> 00:25:30.100
Arden Moore: It's called Five Dog Epiphany.

00:25:30.100 --> 00:25:31.900
Arden Moore: But I loved the Sopranos.

00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:34.920
Arden Moore: I watched it every episode.

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Arden Moore: How did you land the role and tell everybody being Christopher's mom, what was your role?

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Marianne Leone: Well, what happened was I was out visiting.

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Marianne Leone: We didn't have HBO and we were out visiting Chris, who was doing American Beauty at the time.

00:25:48.060 --> 00:25:51.320
Arden Moore: Can we just do a little, you just dropped another bomb.

00:25:51.320 --> 00:25:54.780
Arden Moore: American Beauty, come on, Chris Cooper, everybody, you know him.

00:25:54.780 --> 00:25:56.260
Arden Moore: He's won an Oscar.

00:25:56.260 --> 00:25:57.580
Arden Moore: So all right, keep going.

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Marianne Leone: So he was doing American Beauty, which he almost didn't want to do and I had to talk him into doing, because he was like, I don't know, it's so dark.

00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.660
Marianne Leone: I was like, I don't care.

00:26:06.660 --> 00:26:09.020
Marianne Leone: This is, you're afraid of it, so you should do it.

00:26:09.020 --> 00:26:10.080
Marianne Leone: So then he did it.

00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:11.320
Marianne Leone: But at any rate.

00:26:11.320 --> 00:26:13.900
Arden Moore: I did like him in Seabiscuit too, I liked that.

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Marianne Leone: So what he was happy with about that was, he had his hair dyed white and shaped back like he was losing his hair.

00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:24.980
Marianne Leone: That was when he was up for the Oscar, so nobody recognized him, so he loved that.

00:26:25.100 --> 00:26:29.040
Marianne Leone: He just was able to whip right through all the press lines.

00:26:29.040 --> 00:26:30.980
Marianne Leone: People were like, who's that guy?

00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:32.060
Marianne Leone: He loved it.

00:26:32.060 --> 00:26:34.460
Arden Moore: So he's doing American Beauty.

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Marianne Leone: I said, they have the show, they're saying it's Italian Americans, they're never going to get it right.

00:26:38.900 --> 00:26:39.940
Marianne Leone: They're never going to get it right.

00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:43.240
Marianne Leone: So I watched it and I say, we're getting HBO, they got it right.

00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:50.640
Marianne Leone: When I heard Livia Soprano say, I don't answer the phone after doc, I thought this guy listens to women.

00:26:51.260 --> 00:26:55.600
Marianne Leone: And that's exactly what someone in my family would say.

00:26:55.600 --> 00:26:58.480
Marianne Leone: And it was just really funny.

00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:07.420
Marianne Leone: And what was really funny was when I eventually got the role, everybody knew everybody else because being Italian Americans, we'd all been typed out for other roles.

00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:09.820
Marianne Leone: And it was like, you're too ethnic, right?

00:27:09.820 --> 00:27:17.560
Marianne Leone: So I knew Frank Vincent, Michael Imperioli had played a character in Household Saints that I was also in as a nun.

00:27:17.560 --> 00:27:24.000
Marianne Leone: But when I first read for this, I was called in to read for Aida Tarturo's part, which is his sister.

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Marianne Leone: And in the end, I was kind of glad I didn't because I didn't get that one because we were fighting the school at the time.

00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:44.400
Marianne Leone: And I was up in front of the school board every two minutes for Jesse's inclusion, did not want them to picture me like with her mob boyfriend, like nailing her and holding a gun to her head.

00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.660
Marianne Leone: So it worked out better.

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Arden Moore: What was it like to play Joanne, you know, Christopher's mom?

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Marianne Leone: Well, what's weird is that I don't drink really because I'm a lightweight.

00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.420
Marianne Leone: It's like if I have one glass of wine, I'm like loopy.

00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:59.060
Marianne Leone: So I thought, oh my God, this is going to be weird.

00:27:59.060 --> 00:28:02.940
Marianne Leone: And also to show you the difference between my husband and myself.

00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.940
Marianne Leone: I remember when Chris did a time to kill, he was like, yeah, make me look yellow.

00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:07.380
Marianne Leone: I've been in the hospital.

00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:12.380
Marianne Leone: I, on the other hand, was like, oh my God, every old boyfriend is going to be like, God, did I get off easy?

00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:14.140
Marianne Leone: There I am in rollers.

00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:20.480
Marianne Leone: They're putting broken blood vessels on my nose, so I look like a drunk and, you know.

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:21.180
Arden Moore: Oh my God.

00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.900
Marianne Leone: I was like, I'm wearing a house coat.

00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:32.340
Marianne Leone: But, and I was really nervous because I hadn't acted in 10 years because we couldn't both be away raising Jesse.

00:28:32.360 --> 00:28:36.200
Marianne Leone: And every time I see myself in that, I see my entrance.

00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.600
Marianne Leone: I feel like I'm shot from a rubber band.

00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:46.480
Marianne Leone: It's like I was so, and there's, you know, on the set was David Chase, who I kind of worshiped because he was also a writer.

00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.960
Marianne Leone: But everybody was unbelievably friendly.

00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.600
Marianne Leone: And it was such a great set to work on.

00:28:52.600 --> 00:28:55.460
Marianne Leone: Everybody pretty much knew everybody else.

00:28:55.460 --> 00:28:56.820
Arden Moore: What was James Cialdifini?

00:28:56.820 --> 00:28:58.580
Arden Moore: What's something that people wouldn't know about him?

00:28:58.580 --> 00:29:00.040
Arden Moore: Well, did he like dogs?

00:29:00.040 --> 00:29:00.800
Arden Moore: I don't know.

00:29:00.800 --> 00:29:03.380
Marianne Leone: I never saw him interact with dogs, but I did.

00:29:03.380 --> 00:29:05.700
Marianne Leone: I do think he had a kind, kind heart.

00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.860
Marianne Leone: He reminded me of Chris in a different way.

00:29:08.560 --> 00:29:16.940
Marianne Leone: Like, let me tell you this, it's in the book, but I was worried that they would, my son on television would die after we lost Jesse, and it happened.

00:29:16.940 --> 00:29:23.220
Marianne Leone: And so I was called upon to fall to my knees in front of him lying on in a coffin.

00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:27.120
Marianne Leone: And there's Edie holding my hand before I go on.

00:29:27.120 --> 00:29:31.540
Marianne Leone: When I am getting ready to do this, they want me to do a primal scream.

00:29:31.540 --> 00:29:32.720
Marianne Leone: And I wake up on the floor.

00:29:33.040 --> 00:29:40.540
Marianne Leone: I wake up with bright cleaguelights shining in my face, and one of Tony's crew who was an ex-cop saying, Are you on meds?

00:29:40.540 --> 00:29:43.600
Marianne Leone: Because I passed out completely.

00:29:43.600 --> 00:29:46.540
Marianne Leone: And I was so embarrassed because they had to stop everything.

00:29:46.540 --> 00:29:48.400
Arden Moore: You know, that was pure.

00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:49.240
Marianne Leone: Absolutely.

00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:50.200
Marianne Leone: Absolutely.

00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:54.020
Marianne Leone: And so I'm sitting there with the doctor saying, No, no, no, I'm okay.

00:29:54.020 --> 00:29:55.000
Marianne Leone: I'm okay.

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:56.140
Marianne Leone: Jim walks by.

00:29:56.140 --> 00:29:58.320
Marianne Leone: I think he wanted to make me feel better.

00:29:58.320 --> 00:30:02.340
Marianne Leone: So as he walks by, he says, Anything for attention.

00:30:02.340 --> 00:30:03.840
Marianne Leone: Totally cracked me up.

00:30:03.840 --> 00:30:06.720
Arden Moore: Little humor, sometimes a little humor.

00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.840
Arden Moore: I do know that you do have the Jesse Cooper Foundation, right?

00:30:10.840 --> 00:30:13.160
Arden Moore: Can you tell people how they can look into that?

00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.860
Marianne Leone: It's mostly local, but we have helped.

00:30:15.860 --> 00:30:19.840
Marianne Leone: We have the Jesse Advocacy Fund with the Federation for Children with Special Needs.

00:30:19.840 --> 00:30:23.040
Marianne Leone: We've helped well over 300 families by now.

00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:29.100
Marianne Leone: If they need an advocate or if they, it's for low income and English is the second language.

00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:38.420
Marianne Leone: I always think of my mother sitting in a room filled with people, using obfuscation and whatever the hell delay and big words that she wouldn't understand.

00:30:38.420 --> 00:30:39.560
Marianne Leone: She would have just given up.

00:30:39.560 --> 00:30:40.440
Marianne Leone: I know she would have.

00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.200
Marianne Leone: So if you can have an advocate with you that can.

00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:49.660
Marianne Leone: We also sponsor windsurfing and Access Sport America, which Jesse loved.

00:30:49.660 --> 00:30:50.340
Marianne Leone: Loved.

00:30:50.340 --> 00:30:51.400
Marianne Leone: He was a speed demon.

00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.120
Marianne Leone: So we want that to be open to other kids.

00:30:54.120 --> 00:31:04.080
Marianne Leone: And we made a scholarship using the words of the Sped Director, the Jesse Cooper Giveback to Society Scholarship that we still give every year to a kid in high school with a disability.

00:31:04.080 --> 00:31:04.620
Arden Moore: I love that.

00:31:04.620 --> 00:31:05.300
Arden Moore: I knew that.

00:31:05.580 --> 00:31:16.200
Arden Moore: I had to get that idea because your heart beats dog, but you're a good mama and you are here to make people's lives better and to also understand that life is precious, right?

00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.040
Marianne Leone: Absolutely.

00:31:17.040 --> 00:31:18.040
Marianne Leone: Absolutely.

00:31:18.040 --> 00:31:20.840
Marianne Leone: And, you know, Jesse went all over the world.

00:31:20.840 --> 00:31:24.180
Marianne Leone: He was the most sophisticated kid in his class when you think about it.

00:31:24.540 --> 00:31:29.540
Marianne Leone: He was on sets in Prague and Paris and Montana.

00:31:30.060 --> 00:31:36.300
Marianne Leone: I mean, he did get to go everywhere and he was a joy to us every single day.

00:31:36.300 --> 00:31:41.960
Marianne Leone: And like I said, we're in a business that can infantilize you and make you think you're what you're not.

00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.440
Marianne Leone: And Jesse was our true north.

00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:50.520
Marianne Leone: He was the one who taught us the baseline of truth that is what you need.

00:31:50.520 --> 00:31:53.780
Marianne Leone: If you're an actor or a writer, if you're not coming from truth, you suck.

00:31:54.080 --> 00:31:55.520
Marianne Leone: You're not good.

00:31:55.520 --> 00:31:56.120
Arden Moore: That's right.

00:31:56.120 --> 00:31:57.780
Marianne Leone: So, yeah.

00:31:57.780 --> 00:31:58.400
Arden Moore: Wow.

00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:03.900
Arden Moore: Well, hey everybody, it's been an honor to have on our show today, Marianne Leone.

00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:07.160
Arden Moore: Her new book is called Five Dog Epiphany.

00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:08.700
Arden Moore: That's why I'm not in Hollywood.

00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:10.180
Arden Moore: That's why I'm not on stage.

00:32:10.180 --> 00:32:16.160
Arden Moore: Five Dog Epiphany, How a Quintet of Badass Bichons Retrieved Our Joy.

00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.440
Arden Moore: Please, please get your paws on this book.

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:25.420
Arden Moore: And at this time also, I want to do a shout out to my producer, Mark Winter.

00:32:25.420 --> 00:32:28.320
Arden Moore: I call him the Surgeon of Sound.

00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:31.620
Arden Moore: We have the longest running pet podcast on the planet.

00:32:31.620 --> 00:32:35.340
Arden Moore: It's been on the air since 07 when no one knew what a podcast is.

00:32:35.340 --> 00:32:38.620
Arden Moore: I think my ink pen now has a podcast.

00:32:38.620 --> 00:32:39.840
Arden Moore: It's been alleged.

00:32:39.840 --> 00:32:43.380
Arden Moore: Marianne Leone, it's been a pleasure to have you on our show.

00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:44.960
Arden Moore: You survived being on Oh Behave.

00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:45.640
Arden Moore: What do you think?

00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:46.360
Marianne Leone: I loved it.

00:32:46.360 --> 00:32:47.480
Marianne Leone: Thank you so much, Arden.

00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:49.820
Marianne Leone: I could have gone on and on, so this was really fun.

00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:50.980
Marianne Leone: Thank you.

00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:52.500
Chris Cooper: You made it really good.

00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:56.620
Arden Moore: Everybody, please check out all the shows on Pet Life Radio.

00:32:56.620 --> 00:32:58.960
Arden Moore: Check me out, ardenmoore.com, YouTube.

00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.920
Arden Moore: Oh, come on, Marianne, do my YouTube.

00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:02.180
Arden Moore: I don't do anything nasty.

00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:03.520
Arden Moore: It's all good stuff.

00:33:03.520 --> 00:33:08.680
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00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:17.040
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