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BIO:

If anyone can make veterinary science look good, it’s Dr Josie Gollan. Since graduating from Sydney University with Bachelor of Veterinary Science (with First Class Honours), Josie has practiced as both an equine and small animal vet.

Currently, Josie is a dedicated vet at Animal Doctors Clinic in Sydney, treating creatures both big and small. Josie loves all aspects of vet life, and has a special interest in soft tissue surgery and preventative medicine.
Josie is an avid horse-rider and her love for, as well as extensive knowledge of the equine industry, has facilitated in securing her title as the ‘Official Race Day Veterinarian’ for Racing NSW in 2015. Adding to this, Josie has written numerous articles for Trackside Magazine, Sporteluxe and Dog’s Life Magazine. Proving she’s just as glamorous in heels as boots, Josie was selected as one of the ‘new breed’ of 2015 ATC Autumn Racing ambassadors. 
In addition to Josie working full time as a vet, Josie also features on the Nine Network’s Today Show and Channel Seven’s Sunrise and morning show as a guest vet to educate viewers on pet-related stories.

Josie is also a proud ambassador for pet food brand K9 Natural and Feline Natural, a role which sees her provide support through PR and media opportunities as well as social media for the brand. 

Away from the camera, Josie is a sought-after keynote for many leading events in the vet and pet industry including the Dog Lovers Show.

Josie has a passion for travel and is a sporting enthusiast – tennis, hockey, touch-football and athletics are among her hobbies. She is even a certified ski instructor. Josie’s areas of expertise, dedication and affable personality provide her with the perfect foundation for the media world.

Josie currently lives in Sydney with her husband, two gorgeous boys and her fur child – Albus.

Transcript:

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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.

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Announcer: Let's talk pets.

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Michelle Fern: Hello, feline lovers.

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Michelle Fern: Welcome to Cattitude.

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Michelle Fern: I'm your show host, Michelle Fern.

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Michelle Fern: My guest today is, she's actually in the studio but visiting from far away.

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Michelle Fern: You know, even down under, they care about feline nutrition.

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Michelle Fern: It is so important.

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Michelle Fern: Stay tuned, we'll be right back.

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Michelle Fern: Hey, Michelle Fern here, and you know, saving cats is near and dear to my heart.

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Michelle Fern: Did you know that there is an estimated 70 to 100 million free roaming cats in the United States?

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Michelle Fern: And without spay neuter, that number will keep growing.

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Michelle Fern: Not only does spay neuter mainly reduce the community cat population, but it also keeps cats healthier.

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Michelle Fern: Scooter, the neutered cat, is on a mission to give cats an extra life by making it hip to be sniffed.

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Michelle Fern: Visit his website, givethemten.org to help pioneer a better world for cats.

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Michelle Fern: That's givethemten, spelled out, T-E-N, dot org.

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Announcer: Let's Talk Pets on petliferadio.com.

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Michelle Fern: Welcome back everyone, I'd like to welcome Dr.

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Michelle Fern: Josie Gollan.

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Michelle Fern: She is a veterinarian from Australia.

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Michelle Fern: Welcome Dr.

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Michelle Fern: Josie.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Hi Michelle, thanks for having me.

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Michelle Fern: I'm so excited to have you.

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Michelle Fern: Is it okay if I call you Dr.

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Michelle Fern: Josie?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Oh, absolutely, and even just Josie is fine, whatever.

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Michelle Fern: Okay, can you share a little bit about your background?

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Michelle Fern: Actually, you know, before you start, we're based in the US, your accent is so lovely, you could just talk anything and we'd be mesmerized, I think, but you have an amazing background, so can you share that with us?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, sure.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I've been a vet for about 15 years now, and I'm from Sydney, Australia, and that's where I'm working at the moment.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I used to be an equine vet, so a horse vet, and then I switched over to general practice for our companion animals, so cats and dogs, for about the last 12 or so years, and I still do horse work on the side as well.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I would say I am absolutely passionate about the power and the role of nutrition in helping animals thrive.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I also have my master's in human nutrition, so you can probably tell I'm a little bit obsessed with it all, but it's so cool to me that what we put in our pets' bodies is so important for their longevity and health span, and there's so many things in the environment that we can't control, but food is something we can control, and it has so much impact when we get it right.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I do all sorts of medicine with companion animals, but I really love to focus on nutrition and good nutrition to help them, not just survive, but really thrive.

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Michelle Fern: Well, we're really excited to have you here.

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Michelle Fern: I've had talked to people from other countries.

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Michelle Fern: I've been grateful that I've had the opportunity to do so with Cattitude and with Pet Life Radio.

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Michelle Fern: And I've heard over and over again that people talk about regulations for pet food in the US are not as strict as in other countries.

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Michelle Fern: So, for example, pet food claims are more regulated in your country, in Australia, than the US.

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Michelle Fern: And I've heard this before in other places in Europe.

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Michelle Fern: Why do you think that is?

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Michelle Fern: What are we getting wrong?

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Michelle Fern: We won't even talk politics because this is, we're recording October 1st, 2024.

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Michelle Fern: So we won't talk about what's going wrong with our politics and all the craziness, which is I'm sure the rest of the country is providing entertainment.

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Michelle Fern: But let's talk about why pet food claims are not as regulated.

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Michelle Fern: Yeah.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I think it's an interesting one and it makes it really tricky for pet parents and pet food consumers, as in the people that purchase the pet food, not that people are eating pet food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But it makes it really hard for people to navigate pet food labels when there isn't sort of universal stringent policies.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So in Australia, we have more guidelines in terms of those policies, but they can be enforced by certain regulatory bodies.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it means that there are sort of strict regulations around what is written on pet food and around the labeling.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And it's to do with some biosecurity concerns, sort of the regulatory oversight and just a generally higher standard of nutritional labeling.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And a lot of it is to do with a strong focus on food safety overall.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But in terms of with human food safety and also extending into pet food safety and sort of ethical sourcing and monitoring of the animals that go into the food products.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I know, like I'm quite familiar with New Zealand as well, and they are similar.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: They're probably even more stringent.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: They're overseen by the Ministry for Primary Industries, which oversees human and animal food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And again, it's due to these sort of biosecurity rules and food safety, and it includes pet food to protect that sort of agricultural sector and also public health.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Whereas I think, I mean, I think for the US., as my understanding is, it also follows, I guess, guidelines as opposed to stringent rules in terms of animal product labeling, like food labeling.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But the problem is between the states, I think, there's a lot of variability in terms of enforcement.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And I think the market as a whole is probably a little bit more commercially driven, with looser regulations, I guess.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And I guess that less consistent oversight for pet food claims.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it does make it tricky for the consumer when they're trying to decipher, you know, what is good food and what isn't, when it's not a universal stipulation for how we label our pet food.

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Michelle Fern: I think it makes it especially harder because these days, I know that this is the trend, at least in the US, it's going toward more raw food, fresh food and quality food.

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Michelle Fern: But then again, like you said, the regulations are not there.

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Michelle Fern: What about nutrition for your cat?

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Michelle Fern: Because with the trends of fresh food and raw food, there's also been human trends like vegan and plant only and raw.

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Michelle Fern: And these kind of diets, and I've talked about this a lot on Cattitude, but it really is, it pushes my buttons.

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Michelle Fern: These kind of diets for cats can be just fatal.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, absolutely.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Absolutely.

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Michelle Fern: I've talked about, sorry, for my listeners, sorry to cut you off, Dr.

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Michelle Fern: Josie.

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Michelle Fern: My listeners, I've talked about this a lot, but I keep hearing people saying, you know, I'm vegan, I want my cat to be vegan.

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Michelle Fern: We cannot do that.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Absolutely not.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I want you to repeat after me, everyone listening to repeat after me, cats are obligate carnivores.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: They must have a meat that is largely or, you know, completely comprised of animal tissue.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So this is muscle, organ, connective tissue, bones.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: That is what they need in order to survive and thrive.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: If you feed your cat a plant food diet, so a vegan diet, they will not survive.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It is not possible.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And look, I am not hating on plant food eaters.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I am one myself.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I eat a whole food plant-based diet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I think that is an excellent diet for a human or a whole food plant-predominant diet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Excellent diet for a human, not appropriate for the feline species.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So we really need to recognize, we tend to sort of have these shifts in pet food nutrition, where we can get a little bit caught up with human trends and we sort of transpose them onto the animal world, and they are simply not appropriate.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: We need to recognize species-specific nutrition.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And even if we just sort of think about it and break it down really clearly, if we think about the anatomy and the biology of the cat, it's got a short gastrointestinal system, which is designed to digest meat and animal tissue.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It breaks it down quickly and then eliminates the waste very quickly.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: As opposed to us, we have a much longer gastrointestinal system to help us break down plant material.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: The cats also have strong stomach acids, so they're going to break down that meat really quickly.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And they have essential amino acids that they can only find in animal tissue.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So there is absolutely no case for feeding a cat a plant-based diet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I completely agree with your strong stance on this.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And I want to make it really clear to any listeners out there that it is a bad move to do that to your cat and you will do harm.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you for mentioning that.

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Michelle Fern: And I'm sure the listeners will feel validated if they were pressured at all into, you know, I'm vegan, my cat should be vegan.

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Michelle Fern: I know that it's not especially good.

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Michelle Fern: I know we're all about cats, but some of us have dogs too.

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Michelle Fern: And it's not especially good for dogs, but a dog will survive, a cat will not.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Exactly.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yes.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So a dog is, you know, sort of more classed as a faculty of carnivores.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it can digest that they have, especially our domesticated dogs, they have sort of evolved to be able to digest and utilize carbohydrates somewhat compared to the cats.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So a dog would survive, but I would definitely question, you know, whether it would thrive, which is what I'm interested in.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And I know what, you know, pet parents are interested in.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you.

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Michelle Fern: What about superfoods for cats?

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Michelle Fern: I was doing some of my own research and I found out that dandelions and cranberries are good for cats.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, yeah, they look, they can be.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Superfoods are a tricky one because we don't always understand the dosing.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And also that we need to be very careful because, you know, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And we can have negative impacts by sort of overdoing it.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So dandelions can be good for liver health in cats and cranberries are very, like they have a huge amount of antioxidants in them and they can have urine retract benefits.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But again, we can overdo it.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I typically don't recommend just supplementing your cat's food with sort of a more random array of superfoods.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But what I do generally recommend is an Omega 3 supplementation for cats.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: My favorite source of this is the New Zealand greenlit mussels.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So these little shellfish native to the coastal waters of New Zealand, and they have this uniquely high EPA and DHA profile, which are the Omega 3 fatty acids, and they are just unreal for a huge array of body functions.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So joint health, skin health, brain, heart, eye, and immune function.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: They're really like almost like a one-stop shop for superfoods, in my opinion.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And they really pack a punch as they're also high in protein.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So if you want to do something, that would be my recommendation.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And you can get foods that actually have them in them.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So you're not having to go and source your green lip muscles yourself.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: You can actually get food products that have these as an ingredient.

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Michelle Fern: Okay.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you.

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Michelle Fern: Let's think about our cats at home and their diet.

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Michelle Fern: There's so many different things being thrown at pet parents out there.

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Michelle Fern: So what should pet parents consider when selecting food for their feline?

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Michelle Fern: Because these days, and we're going to talk about raw.

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Michelle Fern: So let's just talk about raw after the break.

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Michelle Fern: But just in general, what should they think about for food for their feline?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, so in general, what I think the most important thing is when you're looking at the packet, turn it over and have a look at the ingredients.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: The food that you are buying is only as good as the quality of ingredients and the appropriateness of those ingredients that's in the packet, that's in the actual food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So when you're reading a food label, you want to look at those first, I guess, maybe six to eight ingredients because the way food labeling works is that the largest ingredient in terms of weight or quantity in the food is labeled first and it goes down in a descending order.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So those first sort of six to eight ingredients are really important and then what I really like to look for in a food label is that you can actually identify those ingredients.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So a lot of cat foods and pet foods have either meat or meat by-product as an ingredient and you don't really know what source of animal that is from or what body part that is from.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So what I like to see is a food product that will say, you know, beef, next ingredient, beef tripe, beef liver, beef heart, you know, and so on and then work our way down to those added minerals and vitamins that are fortifying the food or any, you know, added ingredient like your green lip muscles, things like that.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So making sure you have whole food ingredients that you can identify ensures that those quality ingredients are going into your cat's food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: The other thing that is really important is making sure that the food has that AFCO guideline stipulation that it's meeting that standard.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And that's the guidelines that are actually universal.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It's the Association of American Feed Controls officials that put out this guideline to sort of stipulate the bare minimums of nutrient requirements for particular life stages of your cat or your pet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So making sure your food says that it meets those guidelines is really important to avoid nutrient deficiencies and also making sure it's appropriate for your cat's life stage.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So some will say, you know, for growth, that's what you want for your kitten.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Some will say for maintenance, and that is for an adult cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then you might have your more geriatric or aged cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Some actually can, you can feed the whole life and they'll say appropriate for all life stages.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So ingredients, making sure you meet the AFCO requirements or guidelines.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then the most, I guess, important thing, because no food is useful if your cat won't eat it.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And we know they can be finicky.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So making sure that you think about the flavor and texture of the food for your cat's preferences.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So cats are super textural animals.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So thinking about that when you're purchasing the food or trying a new food might set you up for a little bit more success with your cat.

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Michelle Fern: Okay, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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Announcer: PetLifeRadio.com Welcome back, everyone.

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Michelle Fern: We're talking to Dr.

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Michelle Fern: Josie Golan, and we're talking about feline nutrition.

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Michelle Fern: So, this is one that I have a pet peeve with, that there's a trend toward feeding your feline, and for those that also have canines, a raw diet.

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Michelle Fern: And it's really popular among cat pet parents, because cats are natural born hunters, and they're not as domesticated as dogs.

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Michelle Fern: So, we always think they like to kill things, so that, you know, that goes hand in hand with a raw diet.

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Michelle Fern: Why is a raw diet not good?

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Michelle Fern: And are there any positives about a raw diet?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, look, I think it's a tricky one to generalize on.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So, I think to answer this well, we have to sort of tease apart what we consider raw, and what we're talking about when people want to feed their cats just a raw diet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So, what I don't think is a good idea, and where most vets sort of stand on this, and where we can run into trouble is feeding sort of a home-prepared raw diet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And that can be challenging, and you can run into trouble because you can end up with nutritional imbalances.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: There is a lot of nuance in terms of cat food and cat diets, and because if you think about it, we sort of feed our cats roughly the same thing, or some slight variation of the same thing every day.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So, if you're formulating this at home, it's really easy to end up with nutritional imbalances that can be detrimental to your cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: The other thing that we need to be mindful of, particularly with these raw food diets, is that there is potential for food-borne pathogens.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So things like salmonella, E coli, Listeria.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Now, importantly, cats are actually much more tolerant of these bugs than we are, for example, so they can eat raw food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But again, when you're cooking it at home, you increase the risk of this and also potential risk to other people in the home.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So there can be some cross-contamination there.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then finally, with a lot of like home cooked raw, or not, then it's not cooked, sorry, because it's raw, but home prepared raw diets, we need to be mindful of larger bone fragments.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So these can cause gastrointestinal injury.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Again, cats can eat bone, they can digest bone, but if they're large fragments, they can cause blockage, injury, and we want to avoid that.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So from a home prepared raw diet point of view, I would actually say and sort of counsel against that, and I would counsel my clients with their pets against that.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: However, I am not against a commercial, good quality raw food diet that is balanced and comes from a reputable company that uses high quality ingredients.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And that they also, I guess, rigorously test food borne pathogens and would use a, say, ground bone component over bone fragments.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I think separating them is really important when we're talking about it and not lumping it all together because there can actually be some real benefits to feeding a raw food diet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So yes, it closely mimics the wild diet and it's not about cats, in my opinion, you know, going out and hunting for their food, but it more aligns with what they are designed to digest.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And the raw food is often a highly digestible and easily digestible protein source and contains all those essential nutrients that can be degraded with any cooking and processing.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It also, if they're a good quality food, they can have high quality fats in there and they are really good for your skin and coat and also better hydration because they tend to maintain or retain the water content of the food compared to like a traditional kibble, for example.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then the other thing I think is a really interesting one to think about is that your cat's preference.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So a lot of cats preferentially prefer like a raw meat or raw diet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So that to me is really important in terms of is your cat going to eat the food as well?

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Michelle Fern: Thank you for explaining that because one of the problem I have with raw food diets is the fact that there's bacteria.

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Michelle Fern: But you're right, if you get it, good quality raw food, much less likely to have that issue.

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Michelle Fern: Slim to none, let's say.

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Michelle Fern: So why do cats prefer raw food?

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Michelle Fern: Pick your eaters might prefer raw food.

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Michelle Fern: Is it the smell to them that's better?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I think it can be smell, it can be texture as well.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then a lot of the, particularly if it is at like at room temperature too, they tend to prefer it as well.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it is, I guess it's really hard because we can't ask them.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: This is all sort of information as to why they prefer it.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But, and look, every cat is very individual.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: As you would know, you know, you've got cats, some cats prefer, you know, more texture, more crunchy food, other cats that more sort of gelatinous or wet food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But we do see that cats that are offered a raw food, like a raw meat, that they often will eat that preferentially.

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Michelle Fern: That's interesting.

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Michelle Fern: Let's talk about the amount of feedings per day.

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Michelle Fern: What is the ideal amount of feedings for your cat?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It's tricky.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: I would say, as a general rule, I like feeding twice a day.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And I try to encourage owners to limit that sort of grazing, like having food out all day.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Obviously, if you're feeding a raw food diet, you definitely do not want to leave that out all day because it can increase the pathogen load.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But for people that are feeding more kibble, yeah, if we put that out all day, it can increase the chance that your cat is going to be overweight, just having food available.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I do like twice a day feeding.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It also allows you to really monitor how much your cat is eating and notice if it's going up or down because obviously, reduced food intake can be an early sign of a disease process that you should be going and having a trip and a talk to your veterinarian.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So twice a day is my usual recommendation.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then in terms of amount, it's super variable.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It totally depends on your cat's life stage.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: If they are a kitten, they're growing, they're adult, they're geriatric or older, they breed, the activity level, whether they're indoor, outdoor, their current weight status.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Obviously, if you're trying to lose a little bit of weight or you want them to gain a little bit of weight.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then of course, there's the type of food that you're actually feeding because all different food has different energy content in it.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it sounds incredibly unprofessional when I say this, and I tell my clients this, but the best guide is actually if you're feeding a commercial food, have a look at the back of the packet.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: They will give you a feeding guide, usually per day, that then you would split into two amounts.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And then you have a look at your cat's weight.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And you really, if your cat's a little bit overweight, you probably want to be feeding the amount recommended for your cat's ideal weight.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So, if you have a five kilo or like, please excuse my crude math, we'll call it 10 pound cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And you're aiming for like a four kilo cat or an eight pound cat, then you want to feed to the guideline of a four kilo or 10, oh, eight pound cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Sorry, I've probably confused everyone there with that.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But you want to feed to the ideal body weight of your cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And again, remembering those nutritional guidelines on the back are not gospel.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: You can vary them.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: There are individual variabilities within all cats.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So you really need to have a good idea of your cat's weight and what you're aiming for or wanting to maintain, and then just adjust a little bit accordingly.

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Michelle Fern: Okay.

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Michelle Fern: What about grazing?

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Michelle Fern: Because you mentioned leaving out the kibble.

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Michelle Fern: You know, I have a problem with my partner because he likes to leave out the kibble.

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Michelle Fern: I say, no, you know, they don't need to have snacking time.

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Michelle Fern: They're indoor cats and they're not kittens.

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Michelle Fern: I lose.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It's hard.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It is hard.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: When there's two captains of the ship, it's a challenge.

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Michelle Fern: So I just say, go for it.

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Michelle Fern: You got it.

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Michelle Fern: It's one of those battles.

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Michelle Fern: I just, I'm not going to win.

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Michelle Fern: Yeah.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Pick your battles, right?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So look, I think it is challenging because it totally depends on your cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And particularly in a multi-cat household, I would say it's not a good idea because most likely you're going to have one or two cats that are a little bit more food driven and potentially have a slightly slower metabolic rate and don't need quite that much food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And from what I see clinically, we very much have a problem, just like in people with overweight and obesity in cats, more so than we do with underfed or undernourished cats in the home.

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Michelle Fern: So, leaving it out, that's exactly right, because two of the cats are really fat and one just looks like he's like a raccoon, so he's fluffy.

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Michelle Fern: He just looks like he's big, but he's not that big.

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Michelle Fern: It's all fluff.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And look, it's really hard with multiple cats, because you do want to be ideally tailoring to each cat, but that's not always the reality within the home.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I say as a general rule, you're better off completely eliminating the grazing during the day, particularly for multi-cat households.

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Michelle Fern: I like that.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you for that.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: You can now take this home.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: You can take this argument home now.

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Michelle Fern: Okay.

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Michelle Fern: Even though I'm Cattitude, we're not a product show, we do sometimes like to talk about brands, especially when I'm talking to a veterinary doctor.

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Michelle Fern: I'd love to know what brands they recommend.

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Michelle Fern: What do you recommend for your cat?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it's interesting because I think with food, you need to consider, when I'm talking about a brand, I'm talking about for a healthy cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: From a veterinary point of view, we definitely have foods that are appropriate for certain medical conditions.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But for a brand as a whole, I love Feline Natural, which is a New Zealand food brand, which is why I'm sort of across what goes on with the New Zealand food labeling that we talked about a little bit earlier.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I have worked with this brand for the last seven or so years.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it's a fantastic food for cats, and it's one that I do actually stock in my clinic as well in Australia.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And so what they sort of focus on is more of a high meat diet, which I think is aligned to what a cat biologically should be eating.

00:26:44.848 --> 00:26:51.028
Dr. Josie Gollan: So the beauty of their products as well is that they do use these grass-fed meats.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So it's all from the human food supply chain, and they're grass-fed, free-range and sustainably sourced products.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So you know that the ingredients going in, they're all from New Zealand.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: The ingredients going in mean that the output of the food is excellent quality.

00:27:06.768 --> 00:27:14.788
Dr. Josie Gollan: And the food is also free of fillers, GMOs, grains, and they meet all those AFCO requirements that we talked about earlier.

00:27:14.788 --> 00:27:20.668
Dr. Josie Gollan: So they have an in-house nutritionist, and they formulate their diets in conjunction with Massey Uni.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So that's a university in New Zealand.

00:27:23.428 --> 00:27:32.028
Dr. Josie Gollan: Interestingly, like we talked about before, so these guys do focus on more of that raw food component, but they have a range of products, I should say.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And what they do is a freeze-dried product, which is really cool because it reduces that water content in the food.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It's sort of like snap freezing all the nutrients in, but taking out the water content to below a level where pathogens can grow.

00:27:45.508 --> 00:27:49.088
Dr. Josie Gollan: So really making sure that food safety parameter is there.

00:27:49.748 --> 00:27:56.068
Dr. Josie Gollan: And then they batch test rigorously all their food for those foodborne pathogens with an in-house microbiologist.

00:27:56.068 --> 00:27:59.168
Dr. Josie Gollan: They retain samples for their batches when they go to market.

00:27:59.168 --> 00:28:03.828
Dr. Josie Gollan: So you really know that that food safety component is taken super seriously.

00:28:03.828 --> 00:28:15.048
Dr. Josie Gollan: And then for those that aren't so keen on that raw component, they also have a more sterilized version, which is, I guess, a tinned or in the pouches, the ease of administration into the food bowl.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: And they also offer for people that aren't quite there yet, or maybe just want to add a little addition, or say like a topper onto their food that they already feed their cat for, like a nutritional boost, they have free-thread treats, and then cool little toppers from a product called Green Trout, which is the stomach lining of a ruminant animal, so either a sheep or a cow.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So some really innovative sort of science-led, but so inspired, I guess, by nature, really cool food coming out of New Zealand.

00:28:44.668 --> 00:28:50.108
Dr. Josie Gollan: So I love them as a product, and I don't sadly have a cat in my life at the moment.

00:28:50.108 --> 00:28:55.068
Dr. Josie Gollan: My husband is a bit anti-cats in the house, so he's threatened divorce.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So I'm naturally still weighing up my options as to whether or not it's worth that to get a cat.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: But I have a dog and I feed my dog the canine version of this brand.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: So he's been on that his whole life, and he is perfect, in my opinion.

00:29:11.708 --> 00:29:14.368
Dr. Josie Gollan: Some might beg to differ, but yeah, he's awesome.

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Michelle Fern: I'm sure he is.

00:29:15.948 --> 00:29:19.448
Michelle Fern: Feline Natural is available globally, I'm sure, right?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yes, yes.

00:29:19.988 --> 00:29:24.988
Dr. Josie Gollan: So they're a global product, and it's definitely available in the US and around the world.

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Michelle Fern: Josie, what is the best way to change your cat's food?

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Michelle Fern: I've heard there's two ways, either sudden, to switch, or gradual.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, I'm a fan definitely of the gradual.

00:29:35.388 --> 00:29:39.288
Dr. Josie Gollan: I think you are more likely for success with gradual.

00:29:39.288 --> 00:29:45.628
Dr. Josie Gollan: So just changing that sort of ratio very slowly, introducing it, and then seeing how you go.

00:29:45.628 --> 00:29:46.828
Dr. Josie Gollan: But they can be picky.

00:29:46.828 --> 00:29:54.088
Dr. Josie Gollan: So it's always a risk changing the food, but certainly I find doing it gradually gets a better response typically.

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Michelle Fern: Okay, and you have been a wealth of information, and I know all my cat lovers out there are saying, where can we find out even more?

00:30:02.328 --> 00:30:10.388
Michelle Fern: So at the Feline Natural website, there's also a blog full of information, and lots that you have contributed to.

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Michelle Fern: Can you tell us briefly about that and then share the site?

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, so it is exactly as you say, on the Feline Natural website, they've got a whole blog sort of page where there's a wealth of information about feline nutrition and other tips and tricks in terms of cat ownership and pet parenting.

00:30:28.948 --> 00:30:41.028
Dr. Josie Gollan: So I've written and contributed to a lot of them, and yeah, full of tips and tricks about how to best feed your cat or things to look out for and how to make sure your cat is happy and healthy for their life.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: Yeah, so if you want to look up the website, if you're in the US, the best website is us.felinenatural.com.

00:30:48.688 --> 00:30:56.188
Dr. Josie Gollan: But if you're in any other country, you can just look up Feline Natural and the website will direct you to your country's version of it.

00:30:56.188 --> 00:31:01.248
Dr. Josie Gollan: So a wealth of information there for people to learn more about their cats.

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Michelle Fern: Dr.

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Michelle Fern: Josie, I want to thank you so much for coming on Cattitude.

00:31:04.268 --> 00:31:11.868
Michelle Fern: I so appreciate your time and I am sure my listening audience is loving all of this wonderful information.

00:31:11.868 --> 00:31:12.308
Dr. Josie Gollan: Amazing.

00:31:12.308 --> 00:31:13.448
Dr. Josie Gollan: Thanks so much for having me, Michelle.

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Dr. Josie Gollan: It's been awesome.

00:31:14.368 --> 00:31:15.828
Michelle Fern: I hope you all enjoyed this show.

00:31:15.828 --> 00:31:17.608
Michelle Fern: I love speaking to Dr.

00:31:17.608 --> 00:31:18.468
Michelle Fern: Josie Gollan.

00:31:18.468 --> 00:31:20.808
Michelle Fern: Be sure to check out Feline Natural.

00:31:20.808 --> 00:31:22.068
Michelle Fern: It's us.felinenatural.com.

00:31:23.088 --> 00:31:28.208
Michelle Fern: There is a lot of great information for your cats and the food is amazing.

00:31:28.208 --> 00:31:30.308
Michelle Fern: Thank you to my cat crew that tested it.

00:31:30.308 --> 00:31:33.748
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00:31:33.748 --> 00:31:37.048
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00:31:37.548 --> 00:31:40.248
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00:31:40.248 --> 00:31:41.648
Michelle Fern: Thank you so much.

00:31:41.648 --> 00:31:43.228
Michelle Fern: Thanks again to my guest, Dr.

00:31:43.228 --> 00:31:44.228
Michelle Fern: Josie Gollan.

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