I Could Pee on This
Today, we have a su-purr fun chat with Francesco Marciuliano, the author of many delightful cat (and the one dog) books! He has cats, loves cats, and sees their unique purr-sonalities as an opportunity to voice their thoughts. I Could Pee on This and Other Poems by Cats is the fur-st in a line of humorous books that make fabulous gifts for the cat lovers in your life. We find out what started him on his journey to be a funny voice for cats and about his own cats that have shared his home. Join us for our lighthearted chat and find out more!
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BIO:
Francesco Marciuliano is the author of the bestselling I Could Pee on This, I Could Chew on This, I Knead
My Mommy, and You Need More Sleep. He is also the writer of the comic strips "Sally Forth" and "Judge
Parker," was the head writer for the Emmy Award-winning children's show SeeMore's Playhouse, and has
written for the Onion News Network, Smosh, McSweeney's, and more. He lives in New York with his two
cats, Leelo and Kiki.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Hey there, cat lovers, welcome to Nine Lives with Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kathryn Primm, and I'm a small animal veterinarian and crazy cat lover.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Today, I have with me a cool author, Francesco Marciuliano, who writes cat books and loves cats, and we're gonna talk with him about his journey and his love of cats, and we'll be right back.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Welcome back to Nine Lives with Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat on Pet Life Radio.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I have Francesco with me here today.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Hi, how are you?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I am excellent, perfect even.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I want you to tell my listeners about you, because I think that they will be perfectly delighted to hear your story.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So tell us, how did you get to be a cat lover?
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Francesco Marciuliano: That is from when I was a little kid.
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Francesco Marciuliano: We had a Siamese cat, I think Seal Point, Bettina, and we also would feed all the strays, all the feral cats in the neighborhood.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So I think at one time our house had about 14 feral cats, which I'm sure our neighbors just loved.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And yeah, my dad loved cats, my mom, so it's always, we've had other animals.
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Francesco Marciuliano: We had a dog, we had a canary, we had a turtle, we had animals.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And yeah, it's been since the very beginning, and I've had cats as an adult.
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Francesco Marciuliano: When I wrote my first book, I Could Pee on This and Other Poems by Cats, you see how I segued into that little plug there?
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Francesco Marciuliano: Yeah, no, that was smooth.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I dedicated at the time to my two cats, Boris and Natasha.
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Francesco Marciuliano: The recent book, here's another segue, Clumsy but Just as Well.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Oh, It's You, Love Poems by Cats is dedicated to my cats now, Peaky and Lilo.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And they expect full credit whenever I mention any of these books.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Understand, yes.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But you are not just a cat lover and you are not just a book writer.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: What other things, I know, but can you tell my listeners what other things that you do?
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Francesco Marciuliano: I know you want to buy The Feds, Francesco.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I just want to figure out at this point.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I write two daily newspaper comic strips, Sally Forth and Judge Parker.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's one of these soap opera strips that's been around for a while.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I've written for The Onion, I've written for Smosh, I've written for McSweeney's.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I won two daytime Emmys for a children's program, writing for a PBS program.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And yeah, it's basically, I just keep writing off the streets out of trouble.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Understood, understood.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I try to stay out of trouble too.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So can you tell us what about Cats kind of inspires you to write about them or for them?
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Francesco Marciuliano: Well, initially, the first book, which is I Could Pee on This, came about because I had the two cats, Boris and Natasha.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And after the second cat, Natasha, passed away, I was admittedly sad.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And the way I could handle anything is by writing, but I didn't want to write anything sad because my time with them was very, was enjoyable.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It was just pure love.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So I started writing as sort of a process for myself, poems supposedly written by them.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And I posted it and my agent looked at it and we pitched, and that's how the book came about.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But why I like cats is because when you first meet them, they can be a little inscrutable and you don't know what's going on.
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Francesco Marciuliano: That's why a lot of people who don't like cats always go, I don't know what they're thinking, as if it's the animal's purpose to tell you exactly what's going on in their mind at all times.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And it's fascinating because cats are constantly thinking.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And it's fun to imagine what they're thinking based on the expressions they give you because say unlike dogs, cats don't have the eyebrows.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So they go, well, the dog looks surprised.
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Francesco Marciuliano: The dog looks startled.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I'm just saying dogs always look startled.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But with cats, it's interesting to judge because you know they're thinking at all times.
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Francesco Marciuliano: You know they're always observing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And it seemed like a natural way to write in their voice.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It was also a lot of fun.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And it was also a lot of fun to write in a voice that an animal that occasionally very adorably can be destructive in your home.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: That is true.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And so it's the mystery of cats.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I agree.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I think cats are intriguing because it's not written on their face.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I love that that was your inspiration.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Oh, thank you.
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Francesco Marciuliano: No, it was.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And I think because of that, I've gotten closer with my pets and I don't observe them simply because like, give me another book, you know.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But you do pay attention to cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Because again, I think people who don't like cats think there's a distancing because they keep saying, I don't know what they're thinking.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And so they're like, you can tell.
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Francesco Marciuliano: You can tell with any animal what's going on, how they approach you.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I think a lot of people mistake cats for being cold or distant, which is remarkably untrue.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Whenever I sit down, my two cats actually battle for my lap.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And unfortunately, I've got large cats, not fat cats, but they look like baby pumas, essentially.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Just in a black and white.
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Francesco Marciuliano: They're large cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And they are very affectionate.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And I think it's important just to let people know how much goes on in their mouth and just how much they are in simply a matter of just napping and how much they are in simply a matter of distance.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I think cats are very loving animals.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I think the reason people have, and I love dogs, so this is not a cat versus dog thing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I absolutely adore dogs.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But by the way, you can tell that New York accent, dogs, you catch that?
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's just cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I think people reason it.
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Francesco Marciuliano: They just think, well, cat dogs are just outwardly affectionate.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Yes, they are.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Cats are affectionate too.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's in their own manner.
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Francesco Marciuliano: With a dog, you can tell.
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Francesco Marciuliano: The dog, the tail's wagging.
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Francesco Marciuliano: They're having a great time.
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Francesco Marciuliano: With a cat, the tail's wagging.
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Francesco Marciuliano: That can mean about seven different things.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah, I always joke and say that if you can get a cat to like you, it makes you feel good, like you've done something.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I love it.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I had a friend who really didn't like cats, not simply, not because a cat mugged them at one point, they didn't have any bad interaction, they just didn't grow up with a cat.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And my cat, Boris, which was the previous cat, was a remarkably affectionate cat to a select group of people.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And my cat, Kiki, is a remarkably affectionate cat to anyone within the 20-mile radius.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And these are cats that when you meet them, they can turn people around, just as I'm sure you've had pets and such who just, they do prove that there isn't one type.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Are there cats that are basically go leave me alone, I'm gonna be under the bed for six years?
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Francesco Marciuliano: Yeah.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I think they're equally as fascinating.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But yeah, I think it's a matter of just knowing like anything else, there's a wide spectrum of behavior with cats.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: We talk about cats and quirky behaviors a lot on this show.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I have animal behaviorists come on and things, and one of them was like cats are not quirky, cats are just cats.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But I think that that quirkiness, if you will, provides a really good platform for maybe some humorous moments.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I think that you're maximizing that.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: How do you cross that line or go right up to that line between making people laugh and making people maybe offended in defense of their cat?
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Francesco Marciuliano: Well, I hope I haven't gone into the offensive part.
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Francesco Marciuliano: That would be, I don't know, what kind of books you think I'm writing here?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: That's a different talk show.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I was going to say, after dark, we'll be back with Dr.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Ketan.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Part of it is simply, it is fun to think in their mind.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I mean, with anything else, I'm clearly anthropomorphizing the animal, but it is fun to imagine what is their thought when they're looking at a mirror or when they are basically just unrolling toilet paper right in front of you.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Or as Lilo does, whenever I sit down to eat, Lilo sits next to me and just keeps patting my shoulder or my head.
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Francesco Marciuliano: She'll pat my head, never scratch it, just constantly pat, pat.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I'll look at her, she'll nuzzle my head, I'll turn back to eat, and then the process begins.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It is unending.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And then I'll pull back and say, do you want to sit?
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Francesco Marciuliano: She'll sit halfway through and go, nah.
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Francesco Marciuliano: She'll go back up and the patting is, I am pet throughout my entire meal on my head.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And it's just what she does.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's how she wants to go.
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Francesco Marciuliano: With Kiki in the middle of the night, I'll hear at 2 in the morning, and at first I didn't know what it was.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I would get up and on several occasions, what I have found is that Kiki has a favorite toy, that's a little Chewbacca, and she'll put it into a different part of the room, she'll sit down to it and she'll talk with it.
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Francesco Marciuliano: On various occasions, I'll just go there and she is just talking.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It looks like a very late night talk show.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And she's like, I guess she hasn't figured out, it hasn't talked back yet.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And then she'll go to the bedroom with me, and then she'll sleep right in my shoulder every night, the same way.
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Francesco Marciuliano: In fact, that's her in the background.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And yeah, so this is the behavior that they do because, yeah, we can say it's quirky, but I think they're right.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's behavior.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Everyone has quirks and it's who they are.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And it's very, very interesting, I think.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And it's a lot of fun.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I want to take a quick break and come back and chat with you a little bit more about your journey.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So we'll be right back.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Welcome back to Nine Lives with Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat on Pet Life Radio.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So we're having tons of fun talking about cats and quirkiness and how they lend themselves to humorous writing.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So, okay, so I have another kind of thing I want to ask you about.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: For any of our listeners that might be aspiring to become writers, especially in the realm of humor, do you have any advice to give them about things that you learned along your journey?
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Francesco Marciuliano: Well, I mean, essentially, mine was, I just kept writing and posting it online initially.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And when these books came out, the first one came out, that was more of the blogging era.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So it'd be 2001, which is not the case here.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And clearly, this is more of a video driven era right now.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But what I found was I just kept sharing what I wrote.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And I would just write any day, sometimes, especially if it's humor, you would try to write what's happening now.
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Francesco Marciuliano: There is, I'll give you an example and I'll make it brief.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So the first book, before that first book came out, so this is around 2011, 2010.
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Francesco Marciuliano: By the way, the cats are chasing each other, knocking everything back in the background.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So if you hear like structural damage to my cats, all I need is them to hit the low bearing wall and then we're all doomed in this apartment complex.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But back then, this may go far back that it's actually hard to remember.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So there was like say 2010, there was a weird Charlie Sheen interview.
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Francesco Marciuliano: He had a weird radio interview that got a lot of press and he just said kind of in just very curious things, same thing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So what I did is I just did pull quotes that night and I put them in the photos of cats, pretending the cat said them.
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Francesco Marciuliano: That's how I actually started getting attention, as weird as it is, because I posted on my blog and at one point I got about 800,000 hits.
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Francesco Marciuliano: My blog has never saw that again, by the way.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And that's how I started the ideas like, oh, people like cats, I started writing cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So you find an audience, especially one that you like writing about.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But before that, I just wrote whatever I found funny and I'm specifying for humor writing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But yeah, it is a matter of just write, just write anything and share it.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Build the audience, build it online, because it's the only way to do it right now, and share it.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I will also say when you share and when you build, it depends.
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Francesco Marciuliano: People handle it a different way.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I do like having an agent.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So I mean, some people go, you don't need an agent, and I'm not going to argue that point either.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I like having an agent because someone knows the legal lease a lot more than I do.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But it is a matter of building a portfolio and finding, all this seems to be saying about finding an audience, but the truth is, it's about finding your voice.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I've been doing this for a while, and I'm comfortable in my voice with this particular New York accent, but I'm saying my writing voice, that I kind of know how to approach things with the cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I do it from the cat's perspective, but I'm also doing it about things people can relate to.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So even if you don't have a cat, you can relate to it.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Again, this is the plug segue.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So Oh, It's You, Love Poems by Cats is put in four sections.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And those sections are essentially meeting first, falling in love with your pet, having a long relationship with your pet, and then near the end of the relationship.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And even if you don't have a cat, these are things everyone experiences who has a relationship.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's just in this case, it's through the relationship of a person and their cat.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But it is something that other people who don't have the pet can also recognize.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I think that's an important thing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: If you can find a way that makes it particular but universal, and my experience has always been the very particular is the most universal.
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Francesco Marciuliano: If you can go into a very particular, very detailed, very kind of specific voice, you can write for everybody.
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Francesco Marciuliano: If you try to write for everybody, there's a good chance you're going to say nothing that will stick.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So my biggest point is be particular, but know that you're writing for the one thing, but try to write for the all as well.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And it's not as hard as that.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I just made it sound.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It really isn't.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And that's how I approach my writing.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I hope you made like memes with Charlie Sheen and and cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I like how we all that's like Charlie Sheen.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Hold on.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Can we go back to that because truly after that, I tuned out.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I don't know what you said.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Blah, blah, blah.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Kat, right?
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Francesco Marciuliano: Yes.
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Francesco Marciuliano: But anyway, no, go ahead.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But I mean, but that's really cool because you just sort of you were just sort of having fun with that.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And you realize that other people love cats and you love cats.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And so that was that's a really cool story.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Thank you for sharing that.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Oh, no, it's that is essentially how my cat book writing, cat writing book, cat book.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Choose those three words, mix them as you will.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Career got started.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And right now I believe I have seven books.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: OK, well, so that's a great segue because you can tell us the names of the books in case my listeners are now very, very intrigued about how to engineer their formulation of taking those words and making useful things.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Books about cats, cat books.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah, and I think that they're super fun as a cat lover and they make great gifts.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And so I need a list of them all, and I need you to tell my listeners where they can find them.
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Francesco Marciuliano: All right, so this is going to be up top my head.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So excuse me when I Could Pee on This and Other Poems by Cats, that's the first book and that's sort of the big book.
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Francesco Marciuliano: That was followed by I Could Chew on This and Other Poems by Dogs.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's the one dog book.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Again, I do love dogs.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I actually love, as I said from childhood, I just love animals.
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Francesco Marciuliano: If I could have a pygmy go to his apartment, that would be fantastic.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Me too.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Let's see, I Need My Mommy, which is a book by kittens.
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Francesco Marciuliano: You Need More Sleep, Advice by Cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And then there's Claw of the System, Poems by Cats, essentially kind of a revolutionary cat book kind of thing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: All cats are introverts, and that book was specifically treating the aspect of the cats as introverts, which as we know, introvert is not the same thing as shyness.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So at no point was the book about cats being removed.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's more about cats finding the comfort they do.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Because, you know, the joke has always been cats are introverts, dogs are extroverts, neither is a bad thing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And quite honestly, everyone's a little bit of both, and the cats are a little bit as well, depending on their comfort level.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And I Could Pee on This too, and More Poems by Cats, and the current one, Oh, It's You Love Poems by Cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Which felt awesome.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Hey, that was really good.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: That was really good.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I know that there are lots of places to find these.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Do you have a website with all of your stuff in one place?
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Francesco Marciuliano: I do.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And because this is a, it was more of a blog thing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So because this was started before The Cats, the title is not in reference to cats.
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Francesco Marciuliano: It's mediumlarge.com, which was a webcomic I did for a very long time while doing Sally Forth and Judge Parker.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And that they have all the books there.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I also have, the problem is when I say my name, it is so long.
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Francesco Marciuliano: So I apologize to anyone typing this out when trying to find it.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Facebook is Francesco Marciuliano, author, because I want to make sure it's got all the letters there.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I went with Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat, so...
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Francesco Marciuliano: No, no, no, you're much smarter than I am.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Instagram is F Marciuliano, same with Twitter, and same with TikTok.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Excellent.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I went with Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat on most of that stuff, too.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But yeah.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Easy to brand.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Well done on your part.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I decide, here you go.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Here's the most Italian thing you can ever handle.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Enjoy.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yes.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, so I have had so much fun talking to you.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I love your work.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I love your sense of humor.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I just really thank you for sharing yourself with us today.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Thank you so much.
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Francesco Marciuliano: This has been a blast.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And I am sorry that you only heard the cats in the distance, because sometimes I walk around in front of the keyboard, and then you would have heard them typing.
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Francesco Marciuliano: And it would have been great.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I would love to meet them.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So, yes.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, it was really super.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And gosh, reach out to me anytime you publish a book, and you can come back.
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Francesco Marciuliano: Thank you so much.
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Francesco Marciuliano: This is great.
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Francesco Marciuliano: I really do appreciate it.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: All right.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, okay.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I want to thank my amazing producer, Mark Winter, because without him, we would not have all of this fun.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I want all of my listeners to go out and have a perfect day.
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