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This episode is all about vaccines! The common core vaccines and why pets need them. Look out for veterinary clinic reviews throughout the episode. AI generated song using Suno.com called Vaccinate your Pet! Send us your found reviews or bad pet advice found online at nessieandkat@petliferadio.com.   Also, we are now members of Pet Life Radio! Find us there and check out our personal biographies!

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Nessie: Two different versions of baby.

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Kat: Baby, baby, there are two kinds of people in this world.

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Kat: Chaotic, and then, you know, pretty.

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Nessie: I was going with chill, but, oh, I thought it sounded pretty.

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Kat: Oh, babe.

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Kat: Today, we're gonna talk about Vaccine.

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Nessie: Ooh, actually, I kind of wanted to start this out with a joke about a dog with rabies.

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Nessie: Okay.

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Nessie: And then I was like, they won't get it unless they give it.

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Kat: Oh.

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Kat: Get that, because it spreads to, spread.

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Nessie: Right.

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Kat: Ah, that's, that's, she was like, I got this great joke to tell you, but I'm gonna wait till the podcast.

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Nessie: I worked on that with Grace beforehand, because I have friends, I definitely have friends.

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Nessie: And she was like, yeah, it needs a little bit of work.

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Kat: And so I thought, that was after you worked on that.

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Nessie: I tried a knock-knock version that went worse.

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Kat: So I have to share it now.

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Nessie: Oh, it's, it literally is just, I'm embarrassed now.

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Nessie: It's knock-knock.

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Kat: Who's there?

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Kat: Rae B is who?

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Kat: You don't get it unless you get bit.

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Kat: So I like that better.

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Nessie: That one to be filmed.

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Nessie: Like, I should never bring it up again ever.

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Kat: No, that one was funnier.

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Kat: That was the better version.

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Nessie: I like the other one because I'm like, I want to tell you this great joke about a dog, except for you probably not gonna get it unless the dog bites you.

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Kat: I like the knock-knock because it gives you suspend.

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Nessie: Right.

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Kat: Like I was like, oh, who's on the other door?

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Nessie: The Rabidist.

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Kat: The Rabidist.

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Kat: The Rabidist.

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Kat: We don't want the Rabidist.

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Nessie: We don't want the Rabidist.

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Kat: So we'll talk about all of that today, but we're gonna start with our famous reviews.

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Nessie: We are going to start with a post from a mom group.

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Nessie: Okay.

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Nessie: My daughter's dog wandered across the road.

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Nessie: We just got a letter from Animal Control for Animal At Large, in quotations.

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Nessie: He isn't registered.

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Nessie: We have eight dogs and none are registered because we don't do rabies shot.

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Nessie: This letter is now saying the dog has to get registered and get his rabies shot.

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Nessie: I guess I have to take him in.

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Nessie: If Animal Control comes to the house and sees all my dogs, they will require all of my dogs to get the shot.

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Nessie: I'm upset because all of our other pups stay in the yard.

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Nessie: We live in the country on the corner on 33 acres.

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Nessie: I really don't have to do the rabies shot, but I don't know if I should fight this.

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Nessie: Maybe the person who called thinks the dog is loose, but really he's on my property.

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Nessie: Should I just take him in for the shot and then do a detox?

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Nessie: I'm so upset.

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Nessie: I'm looking for some suggestions and some ideas of a collar that can keep them within a radius of the yard.

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Nessie: I have a huge fence already and he jumps over it.

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Nessie: Still, I have one thing I want to point out about this.

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Nessie: She lives on 33 acres.

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Nessie: That's a lot.

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Nessie: And has a fence around it that this dog can jump over.

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Nessie: So if this dog can jump over a fence, then maybe a wild animal can jump over the fence.

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Nessie: She doesn't think her dogs, her eight dogs, need rabies because they don't leave her yard of 33 acres, which is basically like the wilderness.

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Kat: Yeah, an entire forest.

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Kat: Your yard is a forest.

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Nessie: And there's probably a good coyote out there hanging out, waiting to bring you the rabidus.

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Nessie: The rabidus.

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Nessie: Rimwell is French for rabies.

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Kat: What?

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Kat: I don't understand is why she said that she needed to detox the dog.

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Kat: She's like, should I just get the shot and then detox him?

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Nessie: I'm curious about what detoxing a dog after a vaccine entails.

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Nessie: I mean, do you know those like foot, those like black foot stickies that you put on the pads of your feet to detox the chemicals out of your body and...

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Nessie: There's these little weird pads that you put on the bottom of your feet and it's supposed to suck the toxins out of your feet.

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Nessie: these are them and they like turn black when they suck all your toxins out of your feet.

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Nessie: I don't know what they're actually is like metals or whatever out of your body or something.

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Nessie: Do you think this is what she's doing to detox them for rabies?

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Kat: I don't know, but like if you walked on the floor, like when they turn black, like what if they have a screw?

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Nessie: I wonder if I think you're supposed to put the adhesive sheet on and go sleep like the lady in the picture.

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Kat: That makes more sense.

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Nessie: And then you wake up and the bottoms are black, then it proves that you sleepwalk.

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Kat: That's fun.

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Kat: We love having 30 acres and not vaccinating the rabies.

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Kat: They're in the yard.

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Kat: Most of the states and the United states require rabies by law.

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Kat: That's probably why animal controls on her.

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Nessie: This one is for a shot vet, and it is a one star inside of a hurricane.

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Kat: But that will be the thing.

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Nessie: They got one out of five.

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Nessie: Was an awful experience.

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Nessie: This is by Fernanda, by the way.

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Kat: Fernanda.

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Nessie: Place the dog on the table, and it collapsed.

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Nessie: Obviously scaring the dog, left without getting any shot, would not recommend.

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Kat: Wait, her dog collapsed on the table?

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Kat: Table collapsed.

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Kat: Oh, no.

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Nessie: I was confused when I first read it, too, because it's place the dog on the table and it collapsed.

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Nessie: And I thought, oh my God, your dog collapsed before you even got shot.

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Nessie: But no, the next sentence is obviously scaring the dog.

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Nessie: So the table collapsed.

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Kat: Oh no, she put her dog up there and it fell.

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Nessie: Why is they gonna have a Great Dane on a foldable, like one of those little foldable end tables?

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Kat: I don't know, I feel like I need more information.

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Nessie: Yeah, she didn't offer much more than that.

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Nessie: So I can't help you.

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Nessie: This was this year.

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Nessie: Are you guys good?

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Kat: Are you good?

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Kat: I'm obviously scaring the dog.

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Kat: I would think so.

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Nessie: Bernanda, are you and your Great Dane okay?

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Kat: I know.

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Kat: Break Alive also went.

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Nessie: What if it was a Chihuahua though?

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Kat: That's a long way to fall.

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Nessie: What if the Chihuahua collapsed the table?

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Kat: Could you imagine being like one of our tables or something collapsing?

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Kat: That would be so embarrassing.

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Kat: I would just put.

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Nessie: I'm going to go now.

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Kat: Like I didn't even have words at that point.

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Nessie: I would back out.

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Nessie: Like I see you backing out of the room.

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Nessie: You don't see, you know.

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Kat: I was never.

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Nessie: I have one more for this place in the same one.

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Nessie: Okay.

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Nessie: For the same place in it to one hurricane star.

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Nessie: And it actually show up to a location when they said they would.

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Nessie: I went to the shot that location and they never showed up.

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Nessie: Twenty five people couldn't get their dog shots because they didn't show up.

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Nessie: So this is like a, I guess it shot that is one of those places that just show up.

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Nessie: And there's like a line of 25 people waiting at the assigned time to get these vaccines and the clinic never showed up.

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Kat: Although it was just twice, 25 angry people waiting to get back their dogs.

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Kat: Oh, I would hate those workers.

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Kat: They're like, where is the shot?

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Kat: But it's like, your guess is as good as mine, buddy.

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Nessie: Or like, hey, while you're waiting on them, and they know they're not coming, cause it's like a whole gimmick.

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Nessie: They're like, walk around and get some dog food while you're here.

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Kat: Cause doggy got to get a cashew or something.

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Kat: We've got all these things for you.

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Nessie: Okay.

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Kat: Love that.

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Kat: Love when people say they're gonna do a thing and they don't.

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Nessie: It feels like as a business, you really want them to show up.

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Nessie: Cause 25 appointments that you didn't show up was like bad.

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Kat: Yeah.

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Nessie: I'm surprised there wasn't more people from that 25 that were like, I was also there.

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Kat: I was there too.

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Kat: I remember back in the day.

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Nessie: I remember that time that didn't come.

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Kat: All right.

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Kat: So now we're going to talk about vaccine, which is actually called Preventative Health.

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Kat: Very similar.

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Kat: I love prevention.

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Nessie: It's your favorite word.

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Kat: It's my favorite word.

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Kat: So the goal of vaccines is immunity.

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Kat: Your body or dog's bodies have antibodies, which are protective proteins produced by your immune system.

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Kat: And they attach themselves to antigens, which are foreign substances in your body, such as bacteria or viruses, toxins, and they fill the body to remove them.

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Kat: We have many things in our bodies, and I keep saying our bodies because most of the things in animals is similar to humans.

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Kat: So it all kind of works the same, aside from a select few things.

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Kat: But that's why I keep saying our bodies do this.

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Kat: The immune system is responsible for detecting and destroying foreign invaders.

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Kat: It kills virus-infected cells, and it develops an immunity by remembering the antigen for the future, which is pretty cool.

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Kat: I'm about to get super nerdy on you.

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Nessie: I, when you get, talk nerdy to me.

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Kat: There are these things called B lymphocytes that originate in the bone marrow and then migrate to the lymphoid tissues, and they initiate an immune response.

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Kat: So they secrete a specific antibody called immunoglobulins, and they lead to destruction of like the bad thing.

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Kat: It's called phagocytosis, and that's when a cell eats a bad thing, essentially, which is pretty cool.

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Kat: But the B cells can also turn into memory cells, and they're trained to detect the antigen if it appears again.

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Kat: They identify antigens in the future because antigens have a unique series of amino acid antigen markers on the surface that create a unique shape.

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Kat: So the B cells basically, they create their surface to be like a corresponding shape to the antigen.

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Kat: They recognize it, and they can start an immune response.

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Kat: So our body is awesome.

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Kat: Our body is awesome.

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Kat: Or dog's bodies, whatever.

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Kat: It's, it was the same.

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Nessie: I have, I have also seen some pretty cool things happening in dog and cat bodies, which cats are like a whole different other thing altogether.

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Nessie: They do things that you wouldn't believe their bodies do.

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Nessie: I'm saying.

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Nessie: I mean, they also climb to some heights that I can't read.

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Kat: So there are maternal antibodies that are passed from the mother to the baby via colostrum.

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Kat: And colostrum is milk that's high in antibodies, and it's right before and after birth where it exists.

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Kat: So the baby has to ingest it within 24 hours of birth, and it protects them for a short period of time, but it doesn't create memory.

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Kat: So it's short lived and the baby can become susceptible to disease when it wears off, which is why once there are certain age, we start vaccines because the maternal antibodies start to wear off.

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Kat: And then we need to help them build their immune system.

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Nessie: Hey, so that's when we start.

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Kat: But okay.

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Nessie: This episode has a lot of singing in it, and I like it a lot.

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Kat: Of course, also, I wanted to add one more thing.

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Kat: There are many different cells in the immune system.

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Kat: It's not just the B lymphocyte.

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Kat: There's so many different things that I could talk for four hours about it, but I wasn't going to do that here.

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Kat: But there's lots of things that work together to create an immune response.

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Kat: It's not just the B lymphocytes, but those are the things that can create memory, and it's important in this aspect.

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Nessie: Very, very happy to have B lymphocytes at this point.

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Kat: They're good.

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Kat: Yeah, they're good.

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Nessie: Are we ready for our next review?

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Nessie: This one is for Vetco.

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Nessie: It is one star, and it's by Joe.

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Kat: Joe.

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Nessie: It is called, Never Going Back Again, Waste of Time and Money.

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Nessie: Okay.

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Nessie: Do it in line for an hour before my car could be seen for a simple nail trim.

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Kat: Your car is getting its nails trimmed.

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Nessie: I believe this was a mistype, and it meant cat, but also bring your car in for a nail trim.

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Kat: sometimes it needs...

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Nessie: yes.

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Nessie: Once I got to the counter, the girls already did not want to remove my cat from the carrier, so I had to do so myself.

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Nessie: Once my cat was out of the carrier, they said they would not be doing the nail trim because he was stiff.

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Kat: Oh, people...

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Nessie: The place is also very overpriced.

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Nessie: Stick with your regular vet because all you get here is poor service and an unhappy wallet.

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Kat: Was it dead?

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Kat: I don't know.

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Kat: I don't know.

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Kat: Was his cat dead?

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Kat: Did he bring his dead cat in for a nail trim?

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Kat: And they were like, we're not cutting his nails, he's stiff.

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Nessie: The exteriors of rigor mortis, actually, they would not get my cat out of the carrier.

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Nessie: It would make sense if it was his car that was stiff, maybe.

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Kat: Because you imagine someone being like, I just made a nail trim, we bring him to the back, and it's just like, but that's awful.

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Nessie: But I mean, as a groomer, I've had the experience of people calling to ask if I would basically mortician their pet to get them ready for a burial or a home funeral service type deal, and I'd be like, I don't really want to do that.

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Nessie: That's cruel.

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Nessie: They were embarrassed to maybe have family see their pet, or they just want the nails clipped in a bath and stuff, and I just wasn't comfortable.

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Kat: I could see that.

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Kat: Yeah.

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Nessie: But in this case, that also would explain why the girl wouldn't get the cat out of the carrier.

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Nessie: I had to get my own cat out of the carrier, then she wouldn't cut the nails because he was stiff.

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Kat: Why, like, if he's stiff and not going to fight you, why would you not just do it yourself?

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Nessie: Because he didn't, he didn't want to quake him.

00:15:25.340 --> 00:15:26.980
Kat: Okay.

00:15:26.980 --> 00:15:29.700
Nessie: No, he didn't want to quake his stiff cat.

00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:31.380
Kat: It's not going to bleed.

00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:39.900
Nessie: I don't know, maybe it was just frozen stiff with fear, but, or maybe it was actually his car.

00:15:39.900 --> 00:15:40.920
Kat: I don't know.

00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:42.860
Kat: Wow.

00:15:42.860 --> 00:15:45.540
Kat: But when they didn't get that one out, we're losing it.

00:15:45.540 --> 00:15:48.240
Nessie: I was like, oh, I'm just going to flip when I say this thing.

00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.700
Kat: That is crazy.

00:15:49.700 --> 00:15:51.480
Kat: People are crazy.

00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.820
Kat: People are just like, it's not me.

00:15:55.860 --> 00:15:57.880
Kat: So, vaccines.

00:15:57.880 --> 00:16:01.360
Kat: There are two different types of vaccines in veterinary medicine.

00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:05.900
Kat: There's the modified live vaccine, which contains virus particles that have been weakened.

00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.460
Kat: So, they're non-pathogenic, so they don't cause disease.

00:16:09.460 --> 00:16:14.960
Kat: But they still are recognized by the body as an antigen, so the body can see it create memory.

00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:19.420
Kat: And whenever it sees the real deal, it's like, we've seen that before.

00:16:19.420 --> 00:16:22.060
Kat: So, not going to allow that.

00:16:22.060 --> 00:16:30.180
Kat: There's also the killed vaccine, which contains particles that have been treated with heat or other methods to render them inactive.

00:16:30.180 --> 00:16:33.380
Kat: But the immune system can still recognize it as an antigen.

00:16:34.800 --> 00:16:39.940
Kat: neonates, which are babies, they have to be a certain age to get vaccines.

00:16:39.940 --> 00:16:42.740
Kat: We normally recommend like six to eight weeks.

00:16:42.740 --> 00:16:44.680
Kat: It depends on your veterinarian.

00:16:44.680 --> 00:16:51.520
Kat: But if you give them too early, the maternal antibodies, they limit the body's ability to have an immune response.

00:16:51.520 --> 00:16:58.680
Kat: So at about six to 12 weeks of age is when neonates are considered able to have an appropriate immune response.

00:16:58.680 --> 00:17:00.360
Kat: So this is when we start vaccines.

00:17:01.260 --> 00:17:07.840
Kat: There are multiple factors that determine how long immunity is produced by the mother, like to the baby.

00:17:07.840 --> 00:17:11.720
Kat: So we don't know if it's six weeks or 12 weeks.

00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:22.480
Kat: It depends on how much of the colostrum was taken by the baby, the concentration of antibodies in the colostrum, how fast the puppy or kitten breaks them down.

00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:34.480
Kat: So because of this, we have to give booster vaccines to puppies and kittens every three to four weeks until there's 16 weeks of age to make sure they're able to have an immune response to the vaccine.

00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:39.560
Kat: There are two different kinds of vaccines in veterinary medicine.

00:17:39.560 --> 00:17:44.860
Kat: There are some that are considered core vaccines, and there are non-core vaccines.

00:17:44.860 --> 00:17:55.120
Kat: So if we vaccinated every animal for every single vaccine that we had for every single disease, your dog and cat would be getting like 20 million vaccines.

00:17:55.660 --> 00:18:09.300
Kat: So there are core vaccines that are recommended for all animals of that species, which means that they are, it's most more common that they're gonna run into this disease than like other things.

00:18:09.300 --> 00:18:12.380
Kat: So non-core is not recommended for every animal.

00:18:12.380 --> 00:18:15.380
Kat: It is only recommended for animals at risk.

00:18:15.380 --> 00:18:25.580
Kat: Some examples are like, if your cat is an outdoor cat, then it might run into a feline leukemia more commonly than an indoor cat would.

00:18:25.580 --> 00:18:31.820
Kat: Because indoor cats, they normally are just like around the things that are inside.

00:18:31.820 --> 00:18:35.480
Kat: So you have more control over what they're introduced to.

00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:41.900
Kat: Instead of like outdoor cats, they come into contact with like random cats and animals and things like that.

00:18:41.900 --> 00:18:48.520
Kat: So there are two core vaccines for cats and two for dogs.

00:18:49.300 --> 00:18:53.880
Kat: One of them for both of them is like a combination vaccine.

00:18:53.880 --> 00:19:00.160
Kat: So it has like several different like things in it that protect against different diseases.

00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:07.420
Kat: So for cats and dogs, both core vaccines for cats and dogs is the rabies vaccine.

00:19:07.420 --> 00:19:13.800
Kat: And then for cats, FDRCP, which we'll talk about what the heck all those letters mean.

00:19:14.660 --> 00:19:21.440
Kat: And then Distemper Parvo DHPP is the other core one for dogs.

00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:25.760
Nessie: I do have, I do have a little bubble question.

00:19:25.760 --> 00:19:28.500
Nessie: I know you were saying some are not common core vaccines.

00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:33.320
Nessie: And an example of that, I would assume would be something like the rattlesnake vaccine, right?

00:19:33.320 --> 00:19:34.040
Nessie: yes.

00:19:34.040 --> 00:19:51.660
Nessie: Now, I also heard that in some places, especially prone to areas with rattlesnakes, they issue, as long as the dog has dew claws, they do not, they're not affected by snake venom the same.

00:19:51.660 --> 00:19:53.400
Nessie: Is this true?

00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.160
Kat: Well, here's this old wives' tale.

00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:01.460
Kat: I have to admit, I feel like that's an old wives' tale because I've never heard that before in my life.

00:20:01.460 --> 00:20:12.400
Kat: But that does bring up the subject of core vaccines may be considered different depending on what area of the United states or wherever you live.

00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:18.600
Kat: So like here, leptospirosis, I don't know that it's really considered a core vaccine.

00:20:18.600 --> 00:20:23.260
Kat: But like somewhere up north where it's more common to run into it, it might be.

00:20:23.260 --> 00:20:30.860
Kat: So, do dewclaws really save a dog from venomous snake bite or at least buy them more time before treatment is required?

00:20:30.860 --> 00:20:31.600
Kat: No, babe.

00:20:34.580 --> 00:20:35.300
Kat: Cute though.

00:20:35.300 --> 00:20:37.820
Nessie: That is actually an old wife.

00:20:37.820 --> 00:20:39.020
Nessie: So, okay.

00:20:39.020 --> 00:20:44.180
Kat: I mean, now, do they have to be front dewclaws or back?

00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:51.500
Nessie: They didn't specify in their question, but I think to be safe, it should be all four dewclaws.

00:20:51.500 --> 00:20:57.940
Kat: Yeah, just make sure your dog grows them or have them implanted.

00:21:00.500 --> 00:21:03.620
Nessie: I don't want to be part of an implanted dewclaw.

00:21:03.620 --> 00:21:04.460
Kat: I don't either.

00:21:06.080 --> 00:21:13.360
Nessie: Before I get into this review, I was also thinking, I know a way to make your life better.

00:21:13.360 --> 00:21:14.240
Nessie: Okay.

00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.340
Nessie: All you need is a shot of vitamin me.

00:21:18.120 --> 00:21:19.240
Kat: I know.

00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:24.180
Kat: That's why I paused so dramatically.

00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:28.860
Kat: You get this look on your face when you're about to say something like that, and I just knew.

00:21:28.860 --> 00:21:35.640
Nessie: Well, I didn't know this was founded, I guess, the apprehension coming between this.

00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:39.900
Nessie: So my review is, I'm real sorry I do this to you.

00:21:41.100 --> 00:21:43.040
Nessie: No, you're not.

00:21:43.040 --> 00:21:47.000
Nessie: I feel like one of these days they wouldn't work on you.

00:21:48.700 --> 00:21:51.140
Nessie: Then we'll see how it goes from there.

00:21:51.140 --> 00:22:02.000
Nessie: So this is a VIP pet care, which I think it's a sister product to one of the bigger box stores, I think.

00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.100
Nessie: But the one star review.

00:22:04.100 --> 00:22:05.460
Nessie: Now, this is a trend.

00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:08.540
Nessie: I have two reviews and I also have a picture that I'm going to show you.

00:22:08.660 --> 00:22:14.500
Nessie: We'll put the picture on the Facebook, just so you guys can see where we're going with this.

00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:19.160
Nessie: But we'll start with this one, just so you guys can get warmed up for what's going on at this place.

00:22:19.180 --> 00:22:21.700
Nessie: One star, please train the staff.

00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:23.040
Nessie: This is from the review.

00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:26.180
Nessie: And this is from, we'll go T-Top.

00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:28.860
Nessie: T-Top says, please train the staff.

00:22:28.860 --> 00:22:34.400
Nessie: They can't properly administer vaccine, can't tell the difference between a flea and a fly.

00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:36.520
Nessie: I've noticed a thread in underperformance.

00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:39.780
Kat: Is that a flea or a fly?

00:22:39.780 --> 00:22:40.720
Kat: I'm not sure.

00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:41.940
Kat: It's flying around.

00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:45.040
Kat: But sometimes the letters get mixed up.

00:22:49.320 --> 00:22:52.360
Kat: A flea flying around?

00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:53.860
Kat: Now that is a nightmare.

00:22:53.860 --> 00:22:54.280
Kat: I would bet.

00:22:55.020 --> 00:23:01.420
Nessie: But number two, let's say you get to the vet and you set fluffy kens.

00:23:01.420 --> 00:23:05.540
Nessie: Fluffy kens is now the name of T-top's dog.

00:23:05.540 --> 00:23:06.200
Nessie: I've decided.

00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:07.060
Kat: Okay.

00:23:07.060 --> 00:23:10.320
Nessie: T-top sets fluffy kens on the table.

00:23:10.320 --> 00:23:16.220
Nessie: And he's like, hey, I think that my dog has parasites or something.

00:23:16.220 --> 00:23:17.220
Nessie: Could you check?

00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:23.080
Nessie: And the vet tech is looking like, well, I don't know, it could be a flea or it could be a fly.

00:23:23.080 --> 00:23:25.140
Kat: Touch it.

00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:26.640
Kat: See what it does.

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:32.000
Kat: It's a fly, and if it's a fly, it'll rely on you.

00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.480
Nessie: If it's a flea, it'll jump in your eye.

00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:39.760
Kat: I think I'm going to go directly in there.

00:23:39.820 --> 00:23:41.900
Nessie: Going right for a headshot.

00:23:46.580 --> 00:23:48.160
Kat: And train your step.

00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.000
Nessie: They can't give vaccines or tell a flea from a fly.

00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.760
Kat: A flea from a fly.

00:23:52.760 --> 00:23:57.440
Kat: I mean, well, I'm happy to say we both know the difference between a flea and a fly.

00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:58.440
Nessie: We do.

00:23:58.440 --> 00:23:59.260
Nessie: We do.

00:23:59.260 --> 00:24:04.780
Nessie: And so this leads me into the next one star review for this same place.

00:24:04.780 --> 00:24:12.840
Nessie: And we're following kind of on the same bandwagon about, you know, we might not know all the things.

00:24:12.840 --> 00:24:15.980
Nessie: However, this one may not be entirely miracle.

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:20.040
Nessie: One star review from Sarah.

00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:23.580
Nessie: Sarah says, vets aren't educated about special breed.

00:24:23.580 --> 00:24:26.620
Nessie: I have a Lykoi.

00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:29.200
Nessie: L-Y-K-O-I.

00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.940
Nessie: It is a rare cat breed.

00:24:31.940 --> 00:24:36.720
Nessie: And the vet said his skin or coat was really bad and refused to give him vaccine.

00:24:37.700 --> 00:24:44.760
Nessie: I informed her he was a rare breed and he looks that way because he's supposed to.

00:24:44.760 --> 00:24:47.460
Nessie: I checked him from head to toe when we got home.

00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:52.400
Nessie: His skin was clear and I've been told many times he looks very clean and healthy for his breed.

00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:58.980
Nessie: I stood in line for two hours to be yelled at by the vet who knew nothing about this breed and then was refused treatment.

00:25:01.580 --> 00:25:05.080
Nessie: Not this breed of cat.

00:25:05.080 --> 00:25:07.160
Kat: I mean, they kind of look like a werewolf.

00:25:08.320 --> 00:25:14.720
Nessie: And again, do you see where they think that the skin may actually maybe look bad?

00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.640
Nessie: Because our veterinarians that we were for will also do the same.

00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:24.120
Nessie: Like if they're having a real bad skin infection, they'll also choose to not vaccinate because they don't want to overdrive the immune system.

00:25:24.580 --> 00:25:28.220
Kat: This says, meet the Lacoy better known as the werewolf cat.

00:25:28.220 --> 00:25:30.000
Kat: So I'm not far off.

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:35.700
Kat: Okay, then, they're just like kind of different looking.

00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:39.100
Nessie: They do look like they have a really bad skin problem.

00:25:39.100 --> 00:25:40.500
Nessie: They look like they got the alopecia.

00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:42.100
Kat: Yeah, like they're okay.

00:25:42.100 --> 00:25:43.540
Kat: It's just for anyone.

00:25:43.540 --> 00:25:44.640
Kat: You should look it up for sure.

00:25:44.820 --> 00:25:52.860
Kat: But so they they have a bald face, but like then they have some fur in some places.

00:25:53.760 --> 00:26:02.080
Kat: So some places and then like, like they're like they just have bald patches.

00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:02.960
Nessie: And so right.

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.820
Nessie: And that's why I get where they're coming from with the vets.

00:26:07.820 --> 00:26:09.260
Nessie: Like I want to vaccinate you.

00:26:09.260 --> 00:26:10.960
Nessie: You clearly got a bad skin problem.

00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:12.400
Nessie: And this friend was like, no, you just don't know.

00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.460
Nessie: I just know he's supposed to be bald.

00:26:16.460 --> 00:26:21.340
Nessie: Especially because the person before that was like, they don't know the difference between fleas or flies here.

00:26:21.340 --> 00:26:21.700
Kat: Yeah.

00:26:21.700 --> 00:26:26.540
Kat: So I could see just looking at this cat and not knowing anything about this breed.

00:26:26.540 --> 00:26:29.680
Kat: You'd be like, wow, he's got a really bad skin infection.

00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.540
Kat: Like no, he's just supposed to be bald.

00:26:34.620 --> 00:26:36.400
Kat: This is a $3,000 cat though.

00:26:37.340 --> 00:26:38.740
Nessie: That is wild.

00:26:38.740 --> 00:26:40.720
Nessie: $3,000 for a cat that looks like a cat.

00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:42.600
Nessie: Yeah, I will be patient.

00:26:42.600 --> 00:26:44.460
Nessie: No offense to anyone who owns these cats.

00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:47.580
Nessie: If you got $3,000 to drop on that cat, go for it.

00:26:47.580 --> 00:26:50.040
Nessie: You do you live your best life.

00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:52.060
Kat: Wolf cat.

00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:53.480
Nessie: How do you feel about this?

00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.800
Kat: I just feel like they're cute.

00:26:56.800 --> 00:26:57.740
Kat: I love them.

00:26:58.080 --> 00:27:00.760
Kat: I wonder what their personality is like.

00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:03.880
Nessie: I have a question for you as well.

00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:04.120
Kat: Okay.

00:27:05.760 --> 00:27:08.540
Kat: Do you know the Muffin Man?

00:27:08.540 --> 00:27:09.740
Kat: The Muffin Man.

00:27:09.740 --> 00:27:10.860
Kat: The Muffin Man.

00:27:12.060 --> 00:27:13.960
Nessie: He lives on Drury Lane.

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.600
Kat: Drury Lane.

00:27:18.020 --> 00:27:21.020
Nessie: And the different man lives on Drury Lane.

00:27:22.360 --> 00:27:26.520
Nessie: Why do anti-vaxxers hate vaccine jokes?

00:27:26.520 --> 00:27:27.480
Kat: Why?

00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:29.020
Nessie: They never get them.

00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:38.460
Nessie: However, I also want to apologize if that joke failed.

00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:41.020
Nessie: And I also had decided it was worth a shot.

00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:45.060
Nessie: There you go.

00:27:45.060 --> 00:27:46.880
Nessie: Nouns you with two.

00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:51.940
Nessie: They were rough because you don't seem like you enjoyed them nearly as much as I enjoyed saying them.

00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:56.840
Nessie: Maybe there's some dads out there that really liked it.

00:27:56.840 --> 00:27:58.660
Kat: You have that look on your face again.

00:27:58.660 --> 00:27:59.840
Kat: Yeah.

00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:01.600
Nessie: I wish I knew what that look was.

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.860
Kat: It's the, you're going to hate this look.

00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:10.780
Kat: So we're going to talk about each of the things in these vaccines.

00:28:10.780 --> 00:28:18.640
Kat: I'm going to briefly talk about non-core vaccines, but there's so many of them that I can't really keep up with all of them.

00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.800
Kat: But the first one we're going to talk about is rabies.

00:28:21.800 --> 00:28:23.600
Kat: So this is for dogs and cats.

00:28:23.600 --> 00:28:29.500
Kat: And like I said earlier, a lot of places in the United states require rabies vaccination for your pet.

00:28:30.540 --> 00:28:31.880
Kat: I know they do it here.

00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:38.480
Kat: So not getting the rabies vaccine is breaking the law.

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.480
Kat: Breaking the law.

00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:40.600
Nessie: Breaking the law.

00:28:40.600 --> 00:28:41.720
Kat: You bad.

00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.980
Kat: You are hanging on your wife Arnold.

00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:46.640
Nessie: It's a bad time.

00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.620
Nessie: You live on the side of things that I don't venture too often.

00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.620
Kat: You bad boy.

00:28:51.620 --> 00:28:56.720
Kat: Anyway, so rabies, it's a disease caused by the rhabdovirus.

00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:01.720
Kat: It is spread through saliva and the nervous system, so like brain tissue.

00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.740
Kat: It's transmitted most commonly from bite wounds.

00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:12.880
Kat: So it can be spread by mammals, but like skunks, bats, foxes, raccoons, coyotes, et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:14.740
Nessie: Oh, how like it, Cinderix.

00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:24.160
Kat: So clinical signs include neurological signs, aggression, solitude seeking, in coordination, and even paralysis.

00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.840
Kat: It is fatal once clinical signs are shown, so there is no treatment.

00:29:28.840 --> 00:29:30.720
Kat: It is a reportable disease.

00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.980
Nessie: Can you explain to me what a reportable disease means?

00:29:33.980 --> 00:29:40.480
Kat: So a reportable disease is just a disease that is considered really, really bad.

00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:49.400
Kat: So like the rabies virus can be spread to humans, so you have to report it to like the CDC or something like that.

00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:50.980
Nessie: Center for Disease Control.

00:29:50.980 --> 00:29:52.040
Kat: Yeah.

00:29:52.040 --> 00:29:58.960
Kat: You'd have to report it to the disease control people, if your dog or cat or whatever has rabies.

00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:16.680
Kat: So, and it's really bad because the only way to test for rabies is to send off brain tissue, and you can only do that after the patient has passed away, because you, yeah, I'm not, just Google it.

00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.040
Kat: I'm not going to describe that, that's really, yeah.

00:30:19.040 --> 00:30:22.000
Kat: It's bad, it's big bad, it's big bad.

00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.740
Kat: So dogs and cats both required to have that vaccine.

00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:38.320
Kat: For cats, a lot of, and some companies do it differently where there's like a combination for this, a combination for that, but I'm going to discuss like what is common in this area.

00:30:38.320 --> 00:30:43.860
Kat: So FVRCP is the one that we use, which is a combination vaccine.

00:30:43.860 --> 00:30:54.120
Kat: So for cats, the FVRCP vaccine is a combination vaccine that includes Phelan viral rhinotricheitis and calicivirus.

00:30:54.120 --> 00:30:59.580
Kat: Clinical signs of these diseases are sneezing, ocular and nasal discharge, and fever.

00:30:59.580 --> 00:31:09.220
Kat: Calicivirus and Phelan viral rhinotricheitis have very similar symptoms, but calicivirus can cause ulcers, oral ulcers.

00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:16.140
Kat: It's spread in oral and nasal secretions, but calicivirus can also be shed in the urine and the feces.

00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:22.740
Kat: This vaccine also protects against Phelan panleukopenia, which is in combination, of course.

00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:24.520
Kat: It's caused by a parvovirus.

00:31:25.020 --> 00:31:32.220
Kat: Clinical signs include fever, lethargy, anorexia, dehydration, vomiting, diarrhea, sudden death.

00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:34.120
Nessie: I just threw that one in there.

00:31:34.120 --> 00:31:36.900
Kat: Low white blood cell count, which is leucopenia.

00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:38.400
Kat: It's very typical.

00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.600
Kat: It can be spread in feces and urine and most bodily secretions.

00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:46.160
Kat: And it can survive in the environment for up to a year.

00:31:46.160 --> 00:32:00.460
Kat: And fun fact, the test that you use to test for canine parvovirus, the SNAP test can also be used with feces for pamelagopenia, which is pretty nifty.

00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:06.760
Kat: So there is a non-core vaccine for cats, which is feline leukemia virus.

00:32:06.760 --> 00:32:13.200
Kat: It is spread through nasal secretions and saliva, through mutual grooming, sharing food and water bowls and biting.

00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:17.400
Kat: Clinical signs include immunosuppression, anemia, lymphoma.

00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:30.660
Kat: And a lot of the times, they have to test negative for FVLV, feline leukemia, before you give the vaccine, because it doesn't make sense to vaccinate them for something they already have.

00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:33.720
Kat: So it's good to make sure.

00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:45.380
Kat: It is a non-core vaccine because indoor cats aren't as susceptible to it, because they don't really come in contact with other animals outside that have unknown vaccine status and unknown diseases and stuff like that.

00:32:45.380 --> 00:32:50.960
Nessie: I have a one-star review for a veterinary hospital out of California.

00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:59.780
Nessie: We will leave it anonymous, but the review is from leslie, and it's one star.

00:32:59.780 --> 00:33:04.040
Nessie: In all capital letters, leslie says, do not come here!

00:33:04.040 --> 00:33:07.520
Nessie: Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark.

00:33:07.520 --> 00:33:10.700
Nessie: No matter what you do, don't come here.

00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:16.560
Nessie: They are very rude, very disrespectful, and extremely unprofessional.

00:33:16.560 --> 00:33:19.360
Nessie: If I could give them zero stars, I would.

00:33:19.360 --> 00:33:21.740
Nessie: Hey, there's a list of a couple of numbers of why.

00:33:21.740 --> 00:33:27.040
Nessie: Number one, made an appointment at 330, did not take my pet to be seen until 430.

00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:32.060
Nessie: Number two, they did not want to give me my pet back until I paid, which was weird.

00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.060
Kat: It's actually illegal, but...

00:33:34.060 --> 00:33:38.980
Nessie: Number three, they gave my pet medication without consulting me.

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:47.160
Nessie: Number four, the front desk girl told the vet existent to ignore me when I asked about my pet and when it would be ready.

00:33:49.320 --> 00:33:50.080
Kat: Sorry.

00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:52.520
Nessie: And those are his reasons.

00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:55.060
Kat: He's like, when is my pet going to be?

00:33:55.060 --> 00:33:56.460
Kat: Ignore her.

00:33:57.620 --> 00:33:58.520
Nessie: Ignore leslie.

00:33:58.520 --> 00:34:00.880
Nessie: She's been here since 330.

00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:02.420
Kat: Ignore her.

00:34:02.420 --> 00:34:07.240
Kat: We're going to keep her pet in the back until she gives us money.

00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:09.220
Kat: Could you imagine?

00:34:09.220 --> 00:34:11.760
Kat: She's like talking loudly, not even caring.

00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.260
Kat: Did he just ignore her?

00:34:13.660 --> 00:34:15.080
Kat: If she can't agree.

00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:15.960
Nessie: Ignore leslie.

00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:22.000
Nessie: She hasn't paid for her pet yet, and she's been standing here for hours.

00:34:23.100 --> 00:34:29.040
Kat: It's really, honestly, truly hard to make and please everybody.

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:36.320
Kat: Like I think that we work out a really awesome vet, and even we probably have some bad reviews too.

00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:41.200
Kat: So like people are just like, I don't know if this lady was just, I don't know.

00:34:41.200 --> 00:34:49.420
Nessie: I think that my honest favorite part, the receptionist is like, ignore her.

00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.860
Nessie: Like what were you doing in the meantime to make it get to that point?

00:34:52.980 --> 00:35:00.540
Nessie: We don't hear the other side of the story also, but I'm trying to look at it in the point of view of the symptoms.

00:35:00.540 --> 00:35:03.720
Nessie: And I'm like, oh my God, leslie is at the counter again, girl.

00:35:03.720 --> 00:35:06.040
Nessie: Just the other one's like, ignore her.

00:35:06.040 --> 00:35:07.040
Nessie: That's what I've been doing.

00:35:08.660 --> 00:35:10.100
Kat: She just nudges her.

00:35:10.100 --> 00:35:11.820
Nessie: leslie like thinks she might be a ghost.

00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:13.680
Nessie: And I'm like, they just do not see me.

00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:16.280
Nessie: I've been here for hours and they just looking over me.

00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:18.480
Kat: That's crazy.

00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:19.900
Kat: That I can't imagine.

00:35:19.900 --> 00:35:22.180
Kat: But maybe that did happen.

00:35:22.180 --> 00:35:23.980
Kat: Maybe it did.

00:35:23.980 --> 00:35:31.080
Nessie: There's never a good reason to drop all of your customer service training.

00:35:31.080 --> 00:35:36.300
Nessie: Because once you hit their level, there's no coming back from that.

00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:38.140
Nessie: And it's really not worth it.

00:35:38.140 --> 00:35:41.100
Nessie: It's better to ignore them, but don't tell them you're ignoring them.

00:35:43.240 --> 00:35:44.660
Kat: This is not the end.

00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:52.040
Nessie: Whatever you do, don't put your hand up and give them the talk to name.

00:35:52.040 --> 00:35:53.080
Kat: Don't wave them off.

00:35:53.080 --> 00:35:54.400
Nessie: Don't wave them off.

00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.520
Nessie: They tend to not be crazy about that.

00:35:56.520 --> 00:36:03.080
Kat: Like those videos that you watch for good customer service, and they're like, pick which ones are good customer service.

00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:05.800
Kat: And the one lady's like, yeah, you're welcome, absolutely.

00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.420
Kat: The other lady's like, go on, buzz off.

00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.820
Kat: You're like, clearly, the buzz off was the bad one.

00:36:12.820 --> 00:36:18.340
Nessie: Did you by chance come in while they were filming one of these videos?

00:36:18.340 --> 00:36:20.000
Nessie: You just got the raw end of the deal.

00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.740
Nessie: They were like, okay, now with this customer, we need you to do the bad ending.

00:36:23.740 --> 00:36:25.180
Kat: We need the bare minimum, babe.

00:36:25.180 --> 00:36:32.740
Nessie: They just never, they didn't, he didn't read his handout that was like, we'll be filming an end series for customer service.

00:36:32.740 --> 00:36:37.040
Nessie: And you know, cause they don't, a lot of times we don't read that they don't read the handouts we send out anyway.

00:36:37.100 --> 00:36:39.740
Nessie: And so he's completely confused.

00:36:39.740 --> 00:36:41.700
Kat: He's like, Buddy was so rude.

00:36:41.700 --> 00:36:43.860
Nessie: Buddy, you were in a video.

00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:54.740
Kat: honestly though, waiting an hour for a vet visit, like not that bad because I worked in ER and we've told people there's a 12 hour wait before.

00:36:54.740 --> 00:36:56.460
Kat: And they were like, okay.

00:36:56.460 --> 00:37:01.740
Nessie: And then you never know, especially if it's a place that does general practice and season emergencies.

00:37:01.740 --> 00:37:08.820
Nessie: If that emergency comes in, that doctor is honestly doing their best to like save this emergency's life or whatever.

00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.380
Nessie: But they also want to get to you.

00:37:11.380 --> 00:37:18.340
Nessie: However, Shnuffleupagus is going to be okay if he has to wait an extra hour for his rabies vaccine.

00:37:18.340 --> 00:37:21.320
Nessie: I know your time is valuable and I know you have other things to do.

00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:29.700
Nessie: But if you think about it as you're the one who has the pet there for an emergency and you're trying to save their life, and it's probably like, Shnuffleupagus needs this rabies shot.

00:37:29.700 --> 00:37:31.820
Nessie: It has been an hour, like what's up?

00:37:31.820 --> 00:37:33.640
Nessie: And I would also be like, just ignore him.

00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.400
Kat: They're doing CPR back there.

00:37:40.220 --> 00:37:42.620
Nessie: Just look around and pretend you don't see him.

00:37:42.620 --> 00:37:45.580
Kat: Read the room, Jerry.

00:37:45.580 --> 00:37:47.020
Kat: Read the room.

00:37:48.520 --> 00:37:53.660
Kat: All right, so for dogs, the rabies, like I said, is a core vaccine.

00:37:54.360 --> 00:38:01.500
Kat: The canine distemper virus in Parvovirus, so DHPP, it has canine distemper virus in it.

00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:08.460
Kat: Clinical signs include decreased appetite, fever, lethargy, respiratory disease, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration.

00:38:08.460 --> 00:38:19.200
Kat: Neurological signs such as seizures, ataxia, which is a wobbly gait, paresis, and hyperesthesia, which is like, whoa, what that?

00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:24.860
Kat: The virus is shed in all secretions, but commonly it's through respiratory exudates.

00:38:24.860 --> 00:38:26.540
Kat: So that's a bad one.

00:38:26.540 --> 00:38:27.860
Kat: You don't want that.

00:38:27.860 --> 00:38:29.560
Nessie: No, I'll pass then.

00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:34.660
Kat: Canine adenovirus type two is also in the combination vaccine.

00:38:34.660 --> 00:38:38.620
Kat: It is one of the causes of canine infectious tracheoboronchitis.

00:38:38.620 --> 00:38:41.800
Kat: One of the causes of kennel cough, essentially.

00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:47.320
Kat: Canine adenovirus type one can cause hepatitis.

00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.880
Kat: Can't vaccinate for this because the vaccine has severe side effects.

00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.280
Kat: So that wasn't like a thing.

00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.560
Kat: They're like, maybe we shouldn't.

00:38:56.560 --> 00:39:00.080
Kat: So they made one for CAV2.

00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:04.840
Kat: The dogs that do receive the vaccine for CAV2 are also protected from CAV1.

00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.760
Kat: So, it works both ways.

00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:16.320
Kat: But clinical signs include vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, clotting disorders, fever, acute death, and puppies.

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:22.200
Kat: On the other side, such as edema can also occur in dogs recovering from the disease.

00:39:22.200 --> 00:39:24.860
Kat: So also, they're bad.

00:39:24.860 --> 00:39:27.140
Kat: The next one is canine parvovirus.

00:39:27.660 --> 00:39:31.900
Kat: It's the parvo, whoo, dun, dun, dun.

00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:35.600
Kat: It is very serious, and it's highly contagious.

00:39:35.600 --> 00:39:39.480
Kat: The virus can be shed and carried on clothing and shoes.

00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.540
Kat: It can also be shed in feces, so oral fecal transmission.

00:39:43.540 --> 00:39:46.980
Nessie: So, probably one of the grossest things you've said so far.

00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:49.660
Kat: Let's eat the poop.

00:39:49.660 --> 00:39:50.480
Nessie: I'll pass.

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:51.720
Kat: But, watch.

00:39:51.720 --> 00:40:03.040
Kat: So like, say you step in dog poop, and it has parvov in it, but you wipe off your foot, but you don't like disinfect it, and you walk into your house, then like your dog can contract parvov from that.

00:40:03.040 --> 00:40:05.000
Kat: So that's how contagious it is.

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:11.440
Kat: The virus is resistant to many disinfectants and can survive in the environment for weeks to months.

00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:15.060
Kat: It can cause bloody diarrhea and dehydration.

00:40:15.060 --> 00:40:19.680
Kat: It can cause leukopenia, which is low white blood cell count, fever.

00:40:19.680 --> 00:40:26.820
Kat: Parvov is really bad because it can cause sloughing of the intestinal wall, which means like skin come off, like the mucosa.

00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:28.700
Kat: It prevents absorption of nutrients.

00:40:28.700 --> 00:40:34.360
Kat: It makes the pet susceptible to infection, and it's what causes the bloody diarrhea.

00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:40.640
Kat: And it causes a low white blood cell count, so they're unable to fight back against the infection.

00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:48.880
Kat: It's more common in puppies who are unvaccinated, and they don't have the antibodies for it, so they can't fight it off.

00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.760
Kat: So it can be fatal.

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:57.420
Kat: So this is probably one of the more important aspects of this combination vaccine, is Parvo.

00:40:57.420 --> 00:41:01.700
Kat: Then the last one is K9, parainfluenza virus.

00:41:01.700 --> 00:41:10.580
Kat: It causes infectious tracheobronchitis, aka kennel cough, but it is a self-limiting cough, which is typically non-productive.

00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:15.700
Kat: There are a couple of non-core ones.

00:41:15.700 --> 00:41:20.540
Kat: They're important, but they're not, like I said, as, hey, you should get this.

00:41:21.020 --> 00:41:22.940
Nessie: They're lifestyle dungs.

00:41:22.940 --> 00:41:27.460
Kat: So you might be offered the leptospirosis vaccine by your veterinarian.

00:41:27.460 --> 00:41:30.240
Kat: Leptospirosis is caused by a bacteria.

00:41:30.240 --> 00:41:37.260
Kat: It's transmitted through contaminated water, food, bedding, bite wounds, direct contact with an infected urine.

00:41:37.260 --> 00:41:42.780
Kat: It can cause fever, anorexia, peeing a lot, drinking a lot, vomiting.

00:41:42.780 --> 00:41:45.300
Kat: It can cause renal failure and liver disease.

00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:47.600
Kat: It is zoonotic, so it can be spread to humans.

00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:55.380
Kat: So we recommend it for like animals at risk for contracting disease based on prevalence of disease in the area.

00:41:55.380 --> 00:41:57.260
Kat: Like I said, here, it's not as common.

00:41:57.260 --> 00:41:58.180
Kat: It can't happen.

00:41:58.180 --> 00:42:00.020
Kat: I feel like up north.

00:42:00.020 --> 00:42:01.700
Kat: Maybe it's a little more common.

00:42:01.700 --> 00:42:03.680
Kat: So it might be a core vaccine up there.

00:42:03.680 --> 00:42:06.840
Kat: Let us know if you're listening from up north.

00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:12.280
Kat: So like working dogs, hiking dogs, stuff like that, it's recommended for.

00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.820
Kat: There's also Bordetella.

00:42:16.820 --> 00:42:17.940
Kat: Bordella.

00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:19.640
Nessie: This is the Bordetella vaccine, please.

00:42:19.640 --> 00:42:20.960
Kat: Bordetella.

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.980
Nessie: We've heard a lot of different versions.

00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:29.780
Kat: Bordetella is the primary cause of canine infectious tracheobronchitis, which is kennel cough.

00:42:29.780 --> 00:42:32.980
Kat: So dry honking cough, nasal discharge.

00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:35.340
Kat: Why are you laughing?

00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:37.460
Nessie: I had no word honking cough.

00:42:40.600 --> 00:42:41.600
Nessie: It's not funny.

00:42:41.600 --> 00:42:42.220
Nessie: I'm sorry.

00:42:42.220 --> 00:42:43.620
Nessie: I'm childish.

00:42:43.620 --> 00:42:56.060
Kat: So it's considered non-core because it's like, if your dog is a little dog that goes and gets groomed, or if you go to boarding facilities a lot, then this would be recommended dog parks, things like that.

00:42:56.060 --> 00:42:57.880
Kat: So.

00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.420
Nessie: That is fun because there's multiple ways it's administered, right?

00:43:01.420 --> 00:43:02.060
Kat: Yeah.

00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:06.480
Kat: You can do, I think there's one, like a nasal one that you can do.

00:43:06.680 --> 00:43:12.680
Nessie: I have always not been a big fan of that one, just because it's like you're waterboarding this dog.

00:43:12.680 --> 00:43:14.480
Nessie: And that might not be what waterboarding is.

00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:21.900
Nessie: I'm not up to date with like torture techniques, but it feel like shoving some vaccine in the dog's nose.

00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:23.660
Kat: I would want a nose.

00:43:23.660 --> 00:43:28.320
Nessie: I definitely would rather the other one, which is orally.

00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:29.100
Kat: Yeah.

00:43:29.100 --> 00:43:31.380
Kat: There's an oral one, which is what we use.

00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:35.460
Kat: It just has to touch the mucus membranes to be effective.

00:43:36.220 --> 00:43:39.080
Kat: So we use the oral one at our vet, but.

00:43:39.080 --> 00:43:40.120
Nessie: We have injectable.

00:43:40.120 --> 00:43:41.040
Nessie: There's injectable.

00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:42.640
Kat: Yeah, there's injectable too.

00:43:42.720 --> 00:43:44.740
Nessie: That's for the bad boys.

00:43:44.740 --> 00:43:47.760
Nessie: If you don't really want to let, let us up in.

00:43:47.900 --> 00:43:49.520
Nessie: No, I was going to say, let us through your mouth.

00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:52.080
Kat: Let us through your mouth, open wide.

00:43:52.080 --> 00:43:58.640
Nessie: If you're not going to let us access those oral mucus membranes, we're coming in for an injection.

00:43:58.640 --> 00:44:02.860
Nessie: This is a one star for a veterinarian in California.

00:44:03.080 --> 00:44:08.220
Nessie: I am not sure if the vet here knows what he's doing.

00:44:08.220 --> 00:44:14.180
Nessie: I took my Lhasa Opso since the groomer noticed that he had pain in his ears.

00:44:14.180 --> 00:44:18.580
Nessie: When I got to the vet, he starts acting like the dog is going to die.

00:44:18.580 --> 00:44:20.680
Nessie: He stated he's going to lose his ear.

00:44:20.680 --> 00:44:23.120
Nessie: He needed to do some tests to the labs.

00:44:23.120 --> 00:44:25.060
Nessie: That's a weird sentence.

00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:26.180
Nessie: They worded it wrong.

00:44:26.180 --> 00:44:27.640
Nessie: I think there's words missing.

00:44:27.640 --> 00:44:29.960
Nessie: He ended up charging $500.

00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.060
Nessie: I didn't feel comfortable.

00:44:33.660 --> 00:44:35.920
Nessie: And I told the dog to the regular doctor.

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.360
Nessie: I think that's supposed to be $2.

00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:38.360
Kat: Yeah.

00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.460
Nessie: He charged less and said he had a common ear infection.

00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:44.120
Nessie: I even asked if he was close to losing his ear.

00:44:44.120 --> 00:44:48.080
Nessie: And the regular vet said he'd seen a lot worse, and even those dogs still had their ears.

00:44:48.080 --> 00:44:49.380
Kat: Huff, huff, they're dead.

00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:51.400
Kat: He was like, you gotta cut his ear off.

00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:52.760
Kat: That's the only option.

00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.380
Kat: I wondered if he was joking.

00:44:54.380 --> 00:44:57.440
Nessie: Like he was trying to be funny and she didn't get it.

00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:03.180
Nessie: She was like, I took him over an ear infection, and the vet acted like she was about to die and said he was gonna lose an ear.

00:45:03.240 --> 00:45:05.260
Kat: We gotta cut it off.

00:45:05.260 --> 00:45:07.500
Kat: That's the only way.

00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:11.420
Nessie: Hey, I think my dog has a tick.

00:45:11.420 --> 00:45:12.660
Nessie: That's a nipple.

00:45:12.660 --> 00:45:13.900
Nessie: He's gotta go.

00:45:13.900 --> 00:45:15.880
Nessie: He's gotta go.

00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:16.980
Kat: Gotta take off.

00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:21.980
Nessie: I know it's not the same thing, but it feels like we're in the same vein of things here.

00:45:21.980 --> 00:45:24.440
Nessie: It feels like a bit of an overreaction.

00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:30.660
Nessie: And she was so worried that she went another vet afterwards and she was like, is he gonna lose his ear?

00:45:30.660 --> 00:45:35.640
Kat: Could you imagine if someone was like, he told me he had to cut his ear off and it was just an ear infection?

00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.600
Nessie: I think he thought the people didn't get in his humor.

00:45:38.600 --> 00:45:40.140
Kat: Maybe he was joking.

00:45:40.140 --> 00:45:42.280
Nessie: I feel like he was joking.

00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.340
Kat: He was like, well, we gotta cut it off if it's an ear.

00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:47.220
Kat: And she was like, oh my god.

00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:50.680
Nessie: She didn't get satire, what you would call that type of humor.

00:45:50.680 --> 00:45:51.300
Kat: Dry humor.

00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:54.560
Nessie: Vaccinate, like, maybe I think you missed it.

00:45:54.560 --> 00:45:55.860
Kat: You missed the mark there.

00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:59.100
Nessie: Valerie, how's his ears now?

00:45:59.100 --> 00:46:01.060
Kat: Don't cut them off.

00:46:01.060 --> 00:46:02.640
Nessie: Is there still two?

00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:07.200
Nessie: Did he mean that you should have trimmed your lofsobs' hair off his ears?

00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:08.380
Nessie: Maybe they were real mad at you.

00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:12.860
Kat: I genuinely think he was like, well, gotta cut it off.

00:46:13.040 --> 00:46:15.780
Nessie: He pulled out my garden shears, and he's like, here we go.

00:46:16.580 --> 00:46:18.880
Kat: Wobbity-wobbity.

00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:20.120
Kat: I think I was joking.

00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:22.080
Kat: She took it seriously.

00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:24.980
Kat: I was so scared.

00:46:24.980 --> 00:46:26.240
Nessie: I don't know what's the worst.

00:46:26.240 --> 00:46:31.600
Nessie: Your bed joking that he's gonna amputate your ear right in front of you right now with nail trimmers.

00:46:31.600 --> 00:46:34.220
Nessie: I don't know, she might not have said that.

00:46:34.220 --> 00:46:35.920
Nessie: Those things be sharp.

00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.160
Nessie: They do be sharp.

00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:39.460
Nessie: Or like he was serious.

00:46:39.460 --> 00:46:43.880
Nessie: Either one just feels like a visit that you would talk about for a while.

00:46:45.120 --> 00:46:47.400
Nessie: Yeah, what do you think the other vet said?

00:46:47.640 --> 00:46:49.580
Nessie: What do you think the other vet said when she came in?

00:46:49.580 --> 00:46:51.760
Nessie: She was like, was he about to lose his ear?

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:52.780
Nessie: Is he lying?

00:46:52.780 --> 00:46:54.200
Kat: He's probably professional about it.

00:46:54.200 --> 00:46:57.320
Kat: He's probably, no, it's just the ear infection.

00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.280
Nessie: Oh, but ear infection, I've seen worse.

00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.780
Nessie: They still have their ears.

00:47:02.780 --> 00:47:04.140
Kat: All two of them.

00:47:04.140 --> 00:47:06.640
Nessie: All two, all two ears.

00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:07.780
Nessie: Girl, keep up with that.

00:47:07.780 --> 00:47:09.420
Nessie: Brush the ears, clean them out.

00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:19.660
Nessie: This is a reddit thread about what actually happens to your pet when you're at the bed.

00:47:19.660 --> 00:47:26.800
Nessie: And it is a story of, I'm gonna synopsize this story real quick.

00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:37.920
Nessie: So this man brought his Yorkie puppy to a bed, and he heard the technician in the back singing and having a good time and peeked around, and the lady's back there dancing and playing with his puppy.

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:45.260
Nessie: And she's like, this is what the pose is like, basically, this is what's actually happening behind the scenes when they take your dog to the back.

00:47:45.260 --> 00:48:09.480
Nessie: And the vet tech answered under this comment, actually, though we do get to sometimes see cute puppies, the suicide rate for the profession is really high, and you're kind of making it seem like it's not as serious of an issue in the profession or whatever.

00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:13.920
Nessie: And she's like, because really we have to euthanize animals too, and it's worse.

00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:23.400
Nessie: And this, and they said, so the highest reasons for suicide in the profession is pet, euthanasia and the pet pair.

00:48:23.420 --> 00:48:29.920
Nessie: And this man called Clumsy responded, so basically the same as pediatrician.

00:48:31.080 --> 00:48:35.860
Nessie: Now, hear him out, because he's trying to make a connection here.

00:48:35.860 --> 00:48:38.620
Nessie: Kids are the reason why they love their job.

00:48:38.620 --> 00:48:41.420
Nessie: Parents are the reason why they hate them.

00:48:41.420 --> 00:48:53.700
Nessie: And then someone responds to him and says, as a pediatrician myself, I can tell you that euthanasia is not all a positive event.

00:48:53.700 --> 00:48:55.960
Nessie: sometimes it's not even necessary, but we do it anyway.

00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:12.180
Nessie: It's like a weird thread that I went down, and somehow it went from mental health in the veterinary community to being about pediatricians and how it's not always positive when they have to euthanize, but they do it anyway.

00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:14.820
Kat: Well, this one's gone.

00:49:14.820 --> 00:49:17.620
Kat: No, goodbye, Jimmy.

00:49:17.620 --> 00:49:18.860
Kat: Did they find him?

00:49:19.180 --> 00:49:23.500
Kat: They found him, bit up by hands, and they were like, gotta go.

00:49:25.220 --> 00:49:33.760
Nessie: I just thought it was the crazy thing to try to make that correlation and make it once again about people, doctors, but whatever.

00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.240
Nessie: That's a whole tangent on a whole different thing.

00:49:36.240 --> 00:49:40.800
Nessie: I really needed to share that there's a pediatrician out there that we need to be checking for.

00:49:40.940 --> 00:49:43.720
Kat: Yeah, it sounds like some sketchy things are happening.

00:49:43.720 --> 00:49:48.160
Nessie: If he is automatically like, gotta go ahead, go.

00:49:48.160 --> 00:49:49.960
Nessie: It may not be the pediatrician for you.

00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:50.720
Kat: He's a screamer.

00:49:50.740 --> 00:49:51.900
Kat: I'm coming.

00:49:53.080 --> 00:49:58.060
Nessie: Okay, that's a personal story.

00:49:58.060 --> 00:50:07.960
Nessie: When I was in middle school and I had to get vaccines, I, this may be strange news to all of you, but I had a very terrible fear of needles.

00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.340
Kat: And I'm not saying needles too.

00:50:09.860 --> 00:50:14.740
Nessie: As a middle schooler, my, you have to get vaccines to go to school.

00:50:14.740 --> 00:50:15.940
Nessie: I don't know about today.

00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:17.980
Nessie: This was like 700 years ago.

00:50:17.980 --> 00:50:23.540
Nessie: And so we are at the pediatrician, I guess, is where you go to as a middle schooler.

00:50:23.540 --> 00:50:27.560
Nessie: And my aunt brought my mom because we had just moved down here and we didn't know our way around.

00:50:27.560 --> 00:50:29.660
Nessie: And they took me to the back to get my vaccines.

00:50:29.660 --> 00:50:31.380
Nessie: And I threw a fit.

00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:34.400
Nessie: I was screaming in school.

00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.580
Nessie: I was screaming, you can hear me out in the lobby.

00:50:36.580 --> 00:50:38.320
Nessie: I was scaring the other kids that were there.

00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.280
Nessie: And they brought in this big man nurse.

00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:45.180
Nessie: And he put me in his lap and put me in this bare hold thing to get my vaccines.

00:50:45.180 --> 00:50:48.860
Nessie: And so I was kicking anybody who came near me with my feet.

00:50:48.860 --> 00:50:50.360
Nessie: So I was like, oh, all my feet.

00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:56.560
Nessie: And my aunt actually left the building because she was so embarrassed to hear me in there.

00:50:56.560 --> 00:51:00.260
Nessie: And you gotta think, she was the one who recommended this place, right?

00:51:00.260 --> 00:51:02.920
Nessie: And now, because she brought her kids here too.

00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.120
Nessie: And then she's like, let me bring my niece.

00:51:05.120 --> 00:51:05.920
Nessie: And then I did that.

00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.740
Nessie: And then they asked us not to come back anymore.

00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:09.380
Nessie: We had to find a new doctor.

00:51:09.380 --> 00:51:11.120
Nessie: And my mom was a really man.

00:51:11.140 --> 00:51:13.180
Kat: Oh my gosh.

00:51:13.180 --> 00:51:15.240
Kat: Girl, why would you do that?

00:51:15.240 --> 00:51:17.740
Nessie: I was a kid and I didn't want the vaccines.

00:51:17.740 --> 00:51:24.240
Nessie: And the best way in their eyes was to have a big man hold me down and make me get them.

00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:25.740
Nessie: I still don't think I'm the biggest fan.

00:51:25.740 --> 00:51:28.960
Nessie: And that might might have added to it.

00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.700
Kat: That is crazy.

00:51:31.700 --> 00:51:32.580
Kat: That is wild.

00:51:32.680 --> 00:51:34.060
Kat: He was like, well, how did he?

00:51:34.060 --> 00:51:35.360
Kat: He just grabbed you?

00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:44.380
Nessie: I don't remember how it happened exactly because it was so long ago, but I just know I wound up in this guy's lap being held in a bear hug.

00:51:44.380 --> 00:51:48.360
Kat: You didn't think when he came near you that maybe you should run?

00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.100
Nessie: I've never been the best driver in here.

00:51:52.100 --> 00:51:54.320
Kat: He was like, come here, hand up in the lap.

00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.240
Nessie: And these people chased me through the parking lot.

00:51:57.240 --> 00:51:58.500
Nessie: That would have made it worse.

00:51:58.500 --> 00:51:59.340
Kat: That's awful.

00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.520
Nessie: I was like, get in his lap.

00:52:02.520 --> 00:52:03.880
Kat: Just sit down and go crap.

00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:05.140
Nessie: Sit in his lap, honey.

00:52:05.140 --> 00:52:05.920
Nessie: Trust me.

00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.460
Nessie: And then I get in the lap, he's like, oh.

00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:11.500
Nessie: But I wish I could remember the details of how I wound up in his lap.

00:52:11.500 --> 00:52:12.340
Kat: Okay.

00:52:12.340 --> 00:52:13.840
Nessie: That seemed to have blocked it out.

00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.400
Kat: Trauma.

00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.100
Kat: Trauma dump again.

00:52:18.460 --> 00:52:22.040
Nessie: It was a relevant story about vaccines.

00:52:22.040 --> 00:52:24.280
Kat: Well, got to heal for that.

00:52:25.660 --> 00:52:28.360
Kat: That would have been, you wouldn't have had to want it in the case for it.

00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:29.400
Kat: Yeah.

00:52:30.160 --> 00:52:30.480
Kat: Okay.

00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.420
Kat: Well, maybe a little anahistomy before you go.

00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:38.440
Nessie: I've had a vaccine, but let me get some gabapen on board and stop it.

00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.020
Kat: Shoot it near my health.

00:52:41.020 --> 00:52:41.700
Kat: All right.

00:52:41.700 --> 00:52:51.380
Kat: So like I said, there are many different non-core vaccines, like the rattlesnake vaccine, Lyme vaccine, influenza.

00:52:51.380 --> 00:52:58.600
Kat: So you just talk to your vet about which vaccines are relevant for your pet, and then go from there.

00:52:58.600 --> 00:53:04.460
Kat: Lyme disease, it is caused by the bacterium Borrelia burgdifera.

00:53:04.460 --> 00:53:05.920
Kat: It is spread by ticks.

00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:12.440
Kat: It can cause fever and polyarthritis and it can even cause renal failure.

00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:17.660
Kat: It is considered non-core because it's only for dogs in areas with high risk of exposure.

00:53:17.700 --> 00:53:18.820
Kat: Use tick control.

00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:35.240
Kat: Okay, so I can't talk about all of the different vaccines, but I talked about the ones that were most common, that your vet's gonna be like, hey, you know this.

00:53:35.240 --> 00:53:41.660
Kat: So there can be some pets that have adverse vaccine reactions, side effects.

00:53:41.660 --> 00:53:45.280
Kat: Most of them are mild and non-threatening, not life-threatening.

00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:52.140
Kat: Lethargy, mild fever, soreness at the injection site, decreased appetite.

00:53:52.140 --> 00:53:56.620
Kat: If it lasts longer than two or three days, contact your veterinarian.

00:53:56.620 --> 00:54:05.520
Kat: And sometimes with nasal vaccines, a small percentage of animals can develop like mild upper respiratory things like sneezing or coughing.

00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:09.200
Kat: But there is the possibility of allergic reaction.

00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:15.360
Kat: So facial swelling, difficulty breathing, vomiting, hives, diarrhea, things like that.

00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:32.020
Kat: So if you're going to see it relatively quickly within the first like 30 minutes to an hour of administration, but contact your vet immediately, because sometimes your pet needs like an injectable antihistamine or a steroid, depending on doctor preference.

00:54:32.020 --> 00:54:38.440
Kat: And sometimes your pet just may be one of those that needs an antihistamine before receiving a vaccine in the future.

00:54:39.460 --> 00:54:45.340
Kat: Rarely, there can be typically in cats a mask that can appear at injection site.

00:54:45.340 --> 00:54:48.160
Kat: It's very uncommon, but it can happen.

00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:50.260
Kat: And sometimes it needs removal.

00:54:50.260 --> 00:54:56.640
Kat: But if that happens, check with your vet, have them take a look, see on it, make sure.

00:54:56.640 --> 00:54:58.100
Kat: Is that why?

00:54:58.100 --> 00:54:58.360
Kat: Sorry.

00:54:58.520 --> 00:55:11.420
Nessie: No, but is that why we try to, well, veterinarians in Texas, that way we're putting our vaccines in limbs instead of the way it used to be like up in the like shoulder area and stuff like that.

00:55:11.420 --> 00:55:13.840
Nessie: Now we're kind of focusing on like a high limb type deal.

00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:16.360
Kat: Yeah, lower limb, I guess.

00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:23.320
Kat: It's easier to remove a mask in that area than it would be like up somewhere else.

00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:31.800
Kat: So a lot of the times we'll put the vaccines in specific areas, because there can sometimes be masses that develop.

00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:38.800
Kat: So I know it sounds scary to be like, oh no, my cat's gonna get a mask if I get this vaccine.

00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:42.240
Kat: But it's considered very rare.

00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:50.840
Kat: And the protection afforded by immunization outweighs the small potential risk of an adverse event, like the things listed above.

00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.340
Kat: So we get more.

00:55:52.340 --> 00:55:58.840
Kat: Of course, anytime with anything, there's a possibility of something happening with anything in life.

00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:04.940
Kat: But the benefit outweighs the risk, I guess, is what I'm saying.

00:56:04.940 --> 00:56:20.000
Kat: Most, so this change is depending on veterinarian, but most dogs and cats start their vaccines at six to eight weeks of age, and they get them every three to four weeks until 16 weeks of age.

00:56:20.780 --> 00:56:25.880
Kat: And then at 16 weeks at our vet, we'll do the rabies vaccine.

00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:31.260
Kat: And then typically, re-vaccination happens yearly.

00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:37.000
Kat: But there are like three year vaccines that exist like with the rabies vaccine and stuff like that.

00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:44.320
Kat: And then most vaccines given for the first time have to be boosted like the leptospirosis vaccine has to be boosted.

00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:51.980
Kat: But you can talk to your vet about that and they will send you down the right path on vaccine schedule.

00:56:51.980 --> 00:56:56.360
Kat: But prevention, prevention is key.

00:56:56.360 --> 00:57:00.300
Kat: So preventing things before they happen is important.

00:57:00.300 --> 00:57:05.960
Nessie: It did sound scary when you mentioned the possibility of the mess, which is really rare to happen.

00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.300
Nessie: The fact that the dog might feel a little crummy for a day or two.

00:57:09.300 --> 00:57:27.120
Nessie: None of that equals up to what would happen if that unvaccinated cat got you in your face and now you have to go through a series of rabies vaccines and that cat is gonna have to be sent off for like rabies testing, which we told you we weren't gonna discuss how that is.

00:57:27.120 --> 00:57:28.200
Nessie: Yeah, you don't want to know.

00:57:28.200 --> 00:57:30.760
Nessie: It doesn't go well for the cat.

00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:45.460
Kat: Yeah, because like if your animal is not vaccinated for rabies and it bites somebody, then there's like a whole like there's a fine you have to pay and like a fee you have to pay and like you have to quarantine your animal and it's just not worth it.

00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.020
Nessie: And if it's a stray animal, they get in a way for testing.

00:57:49.020 --> 00:57:50.360
Kat: Yeah.

00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.260
Kat: Okay, that's all I have.

00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:54.340
Kat: Do you want to end on something funny?

00:57:54.340 --> 00:57:55.720
Nessie: yes, I do.

00:57:55.720 --> 00:58:01.780
Nessie: This is a three star review by Duncan.

00:58:01.780 --> 00:58:02.800
Nessie: Have I used Duncan before?

00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:03.640
Kat: No.

00:58:03.640 --> 00:58:04.820
Kat: Quiet.

00:58:04.820 --> 00:58:12.080
Nessie: It is a veterinary hospital in Australia and Duncan says three stars.

00:58:12.080 --> 00:58:13.360
Nessie: He's a local guide over there.

00:58:14.140 --> 00:58:16.960
Nessie: Duncan, show us around Australia.

00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.040
Nessie: You're a local guide, right?

00:58:19.040 --> 00:58:23.500
Nessie: I heard a lot of things there don't want you there, like spiders, snakes.

00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:27.500
Kat: I hear they're real big and scary.

00:58:27.500 --> 00:58:33.600
Nessie: Duncan says, I really like vet doctors, but reception girl, very rude.

00:58:33.600 --> 00:58:39.540
Nessie: I understand that no one person can't all the time smiling and give good service.

00:58:39.540 --> 00:58:48.500
Nessie: I don't know this girl name, but when I press the bell, she's just shouting from reception, you don't see, I'm talking by phone.

00:58:48.500 --> 00:58:56.880
Nessie: I prefer she just asked me to wait or just ask how she can help, but no, nobody opened the door because of COVID-19.

00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:01.200
Nessie: So another 10 minute, I just left car park, really sad.

00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:04.360
Kat: Really sad, big sad, not happy.

00:59:05.180 --> 00:59:06.960
Nessie: How many times do you think she was ringing that bell?

00:59:06.980 --> 00:59:10.080
Kat: She's like, can't you see it on the phone?

00:59:10.080 --> 00:59:16.940
Kat: honestly, if someone like was standing in front of me and they're like, ding, ding, ding, ding, I would probably, I don't know.

00:59:16.940 --> 00:59:18.460
Nessie: Again, with that, they were like.

00:59:48.700 --> 00:59:52.100
Nessie: There's a lot of words I think are missing out of the review.

00:59:52.100 --> 00:59:55.300
Kat: Much Anger, One Star.

00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:01.240
Nessie: I do have one more review for this name, please.

01:00:01.240 --> 01:00:03.220
Nessie: This one is Randy.

01:00:03.220 --> 01:00:04.700
Nessie: With a little Randy.

01:00:04.700 --> 01:00:06.500
Nessie: So this is Australia as well.

01:00:06.500 --> 01:00:07.600
Nessie: It's a one star.

01:00:07.600 --> 01:00:11.200
Nessie: The names in this review have been changed for aminimity purposes.

01:00:12.600 --> 01:00:14.280
Nessie: Aminimacy and enemy.

01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.080
Nessie: This is Randy.

01:00:16.120 --> 01:00:18.900
Nessie: One star review for the Australian veterinary clinic.

01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:21.360
Nessie: Shockingly bad experience.

01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:22.020
Nessie: Dr.

01:00:22.020 --> 01:00:27.200
Nessie: Shanamana is the most arrogant vet we have ever met.

01:00:27.200 --> 01:00:32.040
Nessie: The young receptionist was a lot more professional, so one star is for her.

01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:37.520
Nessie: For just future reference, you couldn't have gone less than the one star anyway.

01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:40.700
Nessie: So he's like, this is a one star review, but that is for the reception.

01:00:41.080 --> 01:00:42.380
Kat: Actually, it's zero stars.

01:00:42.380 --> 01:00:46.060
Kat: I just had to get the star so she could have it.

01:00:46.060 --> 01:00:47.260
Nessie: Don't ever take your pet here.

01:00:47.260 --> 01:00:48.740
Nessie: Try elsewhere first.

01:00:48.740 --> 01:00:50.100
Nessie: They respond, Dr.

01:00:50.100 --> 01:00:59.160
Nessie: Shanamana personally, I understand you disliking me, and then the name is different from the one who left the review.

01:00:59.160 --> 01:01:02.260
Nessie: I understand you disliking me, Nathan.

01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.260
Nessie: But you are the electrician.

01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:20.640
Nessie: Oh, not a client, and did a rather poor job on installing the light, which cost the hospital a lot of money to write a fake.

01:01:20.640 --> 01:01:22.700
Kat: He said he's a terrible vet.

01:01:22.700 --> 01:01:25.120
Kat: You're the electrician, sir.

01:01:25.120 --> 01:01:27.520
Nessie: There were live wires left on the roof.

01:01:27.520 --> 01:01:32.220
Nessie: I also don't think it's very professional to have set up a fake account to leave review.

01:01:32.240 --> 01:01:34.800
Nessie: I will not be doing the same back to you.

01:01:35.100 --> 01:01:39.700
Nessie: I'm grateful, however, you didn't trash any of our caring and big hearted receptionist.

01:01:39.700 --> 01:01:42.780
Nessie: If you ever have a pet, we'd be glad to care for them.

01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:44.700
Nessie: We paid your invoice in good grace.

01:01:44.700 --> 01:01:45.820
Nessie: We wish you all the best.

01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:47.060
Nessie: Warm regards.

01:01:48.180 --> 01:01:49.580
Kat: Warm regards.

01:01:52.700 --> 01:01:54.220
Kat: So it's not, see, Dr.

01:01:54.220 --> 01:01:55.960
Kat: Shenomina, good for you.

01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:57.580
Nessie: Did I change her name?

01:01:57.580 --> 01:01:58.320
Kat: yes.

01:01:58.320 --> 01:01:58.780
Kat: No.

01:01:58.780 --> 01:01:59.820
Nessie: yes.

01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:02.120
Nessie: Was it always Shenomina or did I add more syllables?

01:02:02.120 --> 01:02:03.120
Kat: I think it's Shenomina.

01:02:03.220 --> 01:02:03.920
Nessie: Oh, okay.

01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:06.420
Kat: Good for you.

01:02:06.420 --> 01:02:10.700
Nessie: And also shame on you, Randy slash Nathan, the electrician.

01:02:12.340 --> 01:02:14.900
Kat: They are so rude there.

01:02:14.900 --> 01:02:16.900
Nessie: She is the worst that I ever met.

01:02:16.900 --> 01:02:18.800
Nessie: Sir, you left live wires on our roof.

01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:21.180
Nessie: Could you stop?

01:02:21.180 --> 01:02:22.980
Kat: Ma'am, this is Kmart.

01:02:24.560 --> 01:02:26.740
Nessie: The lady in the shoe department was very rude.

01:02:27.580 --> 01:02:29.920
Kat: It's a dog park.

01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.800
Kat: Cry, love it.

01:02:32.820 --> 01:02:33.760
Nessie: I don't get it.

01:02:34.180 --> 01:02:38.720
Nessie: I honestly, the things that ghost people do.

01:02:38.720 --> 01:02:41.260
Nessie: We paid your invoice out of grace.

01:02:41.260 --> 01:02:42.680
Nessie: Be thankful you got your money.

01:02:42.680 --> 01:02:44.200
Nessie: You left live wires on the roof.

01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:45.260
Kat: Warm regard.

01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:49.180
Nessie: This one grass though.

01:02:50.240 --> 01:02:54.580
Nessie: And then we're going to end it with a couple of great classic movies.

01:02:54.580 --> 01:02:59.060
Nessie: I just got a little review just so you can understand a little better about rabies.

01:02:59.060 --> 01:03:03.220
Nessie: This one is Old Yeller, 1957 movie.

01:03:03.220 --> 01:03:05.960
Nessie: This is by Barry.

01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:10.220
Nessie: Barry is the one star.

01:03:10.220 --> 01:03:12.960
Nessie: I thought it was very unrealistic.

01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:17.120
Nessie: I mean, they could have eaten a dog or even made a sweater out of his skin.

01:03:17.120 --> 01:03:20.780
Nessie: All in all, I think this movie was garbage.

01:03:22.100 --> 01:03:24.240
Kat: Make a sweater out of his skin?

01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.540
Nessie: Barry, don't eat the dog that contracted rabies.

01:03:28.540 --> 01:03:29.840
Kat: Don't do that.

01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:30.780
Kat: All right, Batman.

01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:32.760
Nessie: It is also how you get rabies.

01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.080
Kat: Don't eat the batman.

01:03:34.080 --> 01:03:35.400
Kat: Don't eat his brain.

01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:36.660
Kat: That's Batman.

01:03:36.680 --> 01:03:39.480
Nessie: I think y'all took on Barry.

01:03:39.540 --> 01:03:41.200
Kat: I'm scared for him.

01:03:41.200 --> 01:03:42.600
Kat: He probably has rabies.

01:03:42.600 --> 01:03:45.000
Kat: He probably wrote that because he has rabies.

01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:46.600
Nessie: yes.

01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:52.400
Nessie: And this one is a one star review for Cujo.

01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:54.320
Nessie: Is it a horror movie?

01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:55.280
Kat: Are you familiar with Cujo?

01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:56.000
Nessie: Okay.

01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.900
Nessie: This is a one star review by Ethan.

01:03:58.900 --> 01:03:59.540
Kat: Ethan.

01:03:59.540 --> 01:04:00.340
Nessie: Ethan.

01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:01.620
Kat: Oof.

01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:03.280
Nessie: Oof.

01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:04.560
Kat: Oof.

01:04:04.580 --> 01:04:07.280
Kat: Oof.

01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:09.580
Kat: Oof.

01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:11.620
Nessie: Dog rip scorpion.

01:04:11.620 --> 01:04:13.160
Kat: Get over here.

01:04:13.160 --> 01:04:14.360
Kat: Oof.

01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.440
Nessie: Exclamation mark.

01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.180
Nessie: The dog is dead because scorpion said, get over here.

01:04:21.240 --> 01:04:22.040
Kat: I'm so in a...

01:04:28.740 --> 01:04:31.260
Kat: There's like 20 explanation marks.

01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:34.220
Kat: What in the world?

01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:34.780
Kat: Okay.

01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:39.220
Nessie: So I think when he's like scorpion, get over here, I feel like that's a very mortal combat thing.

01:04:39.220 --> 01:04:44.900
Nessie: Maybe he was talking about, you know, like when his swipe comes out of his belly and he's like, get over here.

01:04:44.900 --> 01:04:45.860
Kat: Maybe that is...

01:04:45.860 --> 01:04:50.140
Nessie: I got that line off of that, but also, what does that have to do with you?

01:04:50.160 --> 01:04:51.520
Kat: It's freezing.

01:04:54.020 --> 01:04:55.720
Kat: What am I going to say next?

01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:58.940
Nessie: Different varying levels of O.

01:04:59.660 --> 01:05:01.400
Kat: Yeah, we love that.

01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:01.940
Kat: We do love that.

01:05:01.940 --> 01:05:04.700
Kat: I feel like maybe he was reviewing the wrong movie.

01:05:04.700 --> 01:05:08.900
Kat: Like the Scorpion King or something, because he mentioned a scorpion in it.

01:05:08.900 --> 01:05:11.260
Kat: But then he said dog, so it brought me back.

01:05:11.260 --> 01:05:14.960
Kat: But the Scorpion King has a dog in it?

01:05:15.020 --> 01:05:17.080
Nessie: Was he reviewing the Mortal Kombat movie?

01:05:17.080 --> 01:05:19.160
Kat: That's the final thing that's happening.

01:05:19.160 --> 01:05:20.720
Kat: That guy was.

01:05:20.720 --> 01:05:21.820
Nessie: Y'all be careful out there.

01:05:21.820 --> 01:05:22.480
Kat: Yeah, be careful.

01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:25.820
Kat: There's some people out there.

01:05:25.820 --> 01:05:27.480
Kat: All right, well.

01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:29.760
Nessie: Want to plug some of our socials?

01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.400
Nessie: We are now on Pet Life Radio.

01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:36.820
Kat: Okay, so we are on Pet Life Radio now, which is fantastic.

01:05:36.820 --> 01:05:38.600
Kat: So listen to us on Pet Life Radio.

01:05:38.600 --> 01:05:40.880
Kat: You go to petliferadio.com.

01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:47.540
Nessie: Yeah, and actually there's access to our podcasts on other different platforms from their webcasts.

01:05:47.540 --> 01:05:50.360
Nessie: And we have an email that you can reach out to us.

01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:53.860
Kat: It is talkpetswithus at gmail.com.

01:05:53.860 --> 01:05:55.820
Kat: We're very excited about that.

01:05:55.820 --> 01:06:01.420
Kat: So we're on Spotify, we're on Amazon Music, we're on Apple Podcasts, we're everywhere.

01:06:01.420 --> 01:06:02.480
Kat: You have no excuse.

01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:04.040
Nessie: But share us.

01:06:04.620 --> 01:06:06.420
Nessie: We want to get in everybody's ears.

01:06:06.420 --> 01:06:10.360
Kat: We have a Facebook page, Let's Talk About Pets.

01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:13.180
Kat: You can find us there on facebook.com.

01:06:13.780 --> 01:06:18.180
Nessie: If you find any reviews or bad advice online, send it to us.

01:06:18.180 --> 01:06:20.660
Nessie: We want to see, we need your content as well.

01:06:20.660 --> 01:06:24.120
Nessie: You guys are our boots on the ground, if you will.

01:06:24.140 --> 01:06:29.160
Nessie: And also we're going to end this with an AI song made by suno.com.

01:06:31.640 --> 01:06:38.860
Nessie: And if you guys want a free version of the song, reach out to us and it can be sent to you as an MP3.

01:06:38.860 --> 01:06:39.880
Kat: Okey dokey.

01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:41.580
Kat: Well, y'all stay safe out there.

01:06:41.740 --> 01:06:43.000
Kat: We'll see you next time.

01:09:25.317 --> 01:09:31.257
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